anoop

We have officially entered an alternate universe.

Lexus ranks below BMW in reliability and on par with Honda.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars...s-a6159221985/

If you want a car that is reliable and has high owner satisfaction the only choices are BMW/Mini and Porsche.

I'm not a Lexus owner, just a lurker here as I think about an NX 350h. But it's disappointing to see the owner satisfaction with Lexus is low.

FrankReynoldsCPA

LexBob2

You look good in that attire.

Striker223

Not surprised since they went from using the same engines for 20 years or so to half baked overall efforts. It's the same story as Acura/infinity.....

Its like anything else, buy the best examples and year ranges and avoid the ones with problems.

Fizzboy7

My personal ownership experiences do not mesh with the above news. Just sayin...

AJT123

Mine are old, but they're both brick shytthouses absolutely unstoppable.

mmarshall

If you read the chart correctly, Lexus, as a brand, has equal reliability with BMW. And that chart is based on several things, not just reliability. There's owner-satisfaction, safety, and Road-test scores.

Lexus, as a brand, however, DOES trail BMW in road-test score and owner-satisfacton.

jwong77

Even if BMW did "only" match Lexus in reliability, that's a pretty impressive uptick for them considering where they were before. I mean, would even consider coming close to Lexus in reliability to be a huge win for them.

LeX2K

Been reading articles for decades of how X automaker is just as reliable as Toyota. It never happens.

anoop

Maybe while collaborating on turbos (BMW -> Lexus), hybrids (Lexus -> BMW), and sports cars (BMW -> Lexus), they exchanged some notes on reliability. I think BMW moved up, Lexus moved down and now they meet. If they continue their trajectory, Lexus will be below BMW in future.

LH1

BMW has done a great job with the B58. I haven't heard them having any issues.

jwong77

I have a B58, knock on wood, pretty reliable so far.

Striker223

And yet Toyota uses a BMW engine in their flagship performance car...........

Toyota reliability is a lot of hype and built in ability to differ maintenance since they know no one will ever do any, issue I have is when things fail they fail regardless of care given and in patterns for a given chassis. They also cost a lot more to buy parts for and the packaging sucks to work on them, I have timed how long it takes vs their equivalents and they just outright suck. People also never really bring up the issues their Toyotas have so they can continue to believe the hype

LeX2K

Totally different subject.
"hype"

You know better, a 10 year old Toyota is safe to own a 10 year old German car is probably a money pit.

anoop

Both Honda and Toyota had bullet proof reliability in the late 80's to mid 90's. Then along with the entire world, they started to engineer quality *out* of their products.

Toyota is still good now, but only good, not bullet proof or exceptional like they used to be. Honda is about average.