Hmmmm......(mechanics customer complaint video)
02-29-24, 07:58 PM
#31
Lexus Test Driver
haven't corvettes used electronic door latches for like 20 years now? the C6 convertible i once drove had buttons to open the doors
02-29-24, 10:09 PM
#32
Lexus Champion
Touch to open? Uh no........you still need to pull the door open on this. It doesn't just open itself lol! YOU ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME MOTION. That's why I am critical of this, if you can't see that you are doing the exact same thing as the end user then I can't explain it anymore.
02-29-24, 10:12 PM
#33
Lexus Champion
Maybe that's true. I don't disagree that people who are unaware of their surroundings should do better. However, I think we both know that adding layers of safety on top of our own responsibility is a nice thing to have. You could argue someone like me who is too stupid to be able to control a high-horsepower RWD vehicle should not be driving it. Yet, because of traction control and stability control, I feel the confidence to be able to actually enjoy it and not be terrified to use the gas pedal when I need or want to. You could argue that people who are too stupid to know where the corners of their cars are shouldn't be reversing into parking spaces and potentially backing over something or hitting something, but a 360 camera just makes the whole process that much easier and precise. I could go on all day.
And the ironic thing is - maybe people who don't understand their door handles shouldn't be driving.
And the ironic thing is - maybe people who don't understand their door handles shouldn't be driving.
As far as the driving skill thing yeah, you should ideally know how the car acts and practice with it till you know. I took a week or so learning the W12 so I can 4 wheel drift it accurately enough to do a full roundabout with it at will, before that point I didn't push it hard or drive with the assists off. Stuff like auto braking and lane centering/warning I just always kept and keep off, they suck.
02-29-24, 10:25 PM
#34
Lexus Champion
I actually kind of dig them. Just had a loaner RX with these handles. They were super easy to get used to, had a premium feel, and (at least from the inside), I thought the "backup/emergency" function appeared pretty obvious. One off cases happen, but if this becomes a trend, then yes, there will be some educating or revising that needs to take place.
This is just cost cutting with a "feature" slapped on top combined with marketing. You can have the EXACT same effect with a physical handle and a disable system tied into the cameras and radars, both my A8s have a electronic override of the rear door controls that allow me to lock them out from my seat. You can easily just tie that in to the assists and have the existing system just lock out the doors when it sees "something" there and flash a warning with a tone etc.....this entire e-handle is purely to cut the costs down. It doesn't add anything ability wise, it just makes everything cheaper to produce.
I have nothing against systems that improve and expand what the car can do, soft close and power close systems are a great example since they allow you to very elegantly close doors and never have to re-strike if you didn't swing it hard enough. Matrix headlights, good ACC systems (cheap ones are just worse than manually driving) good sonar/camera systems, TVDs, carbon brakes, variable steering etc etc etc.
Those all actually change how you interact with the car for the better, this E-handle system doesn't do anything that wasn't already possible nor does it alter how you interact. It's just cost cutting.
03-01-24, 05:32 AM
#35
Lexus Champion
But unnecessary doesn't mean the sky is falling.
03-01-24, 06:57 AM
#36
03-01-24, 07:26 AM
#37
Lexus Fanatic
Touch to open? Uh no........you still need to pull the door open on this. It doesn't just open itself lol! YOU ARE DOING THE EXACT SAME MOTION. That's why I am critical of this, if you can't see that you are doing the exact same thing as the end user then I can't explain it anymore.
03-01-24, 07:44 AM
#38
It does not improve the process of opening the door. It does allow Lexus to design a more streamlined door card with no obvious levers. It wouldn’t stop me from buying a 5RX, but the new 4 cyl. And the new touchscreen make it significantly less appealing to me.
03-01-24, 08:01 AM
#39
Lexus Fanatic
Levers aren’t a big deal for me lol
03-01-24, 09:18 AM
#40
The lever doesn’t bother me either. But I’m saying the Lexus designers want the interior to appear more minimalist and Tesla-like. I prefer the 4RX interior with traditional levers, ***** and RTI. But the exterior of the new RX looks way better…..
03-01-24, 10:38 AM
#41
Lexus Fanatic
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03-02-24, 06:54 AM
#42
Lexus Fanatic
The point is to prevent accidentally opening the doors when it is unsafe to do so, such as when there is an oncoming vehicle or cyclist.
https://mag.lexus.co.uk/e-latch-system/
There's potential here to also allow for electronically opening the doors as well, like we've seen in Teslas or BMW 7-series, etc. Maybe it's not fully realized here in the NX...
https://mag.lexus.co.uk/e-latch-system/
There's potential here to also allow for electronically opening the doors as well, like we've seen in Teslas or BMW 7-series, etc. Maybe it's not fully realized here in the NX...
03-02-24, 01:49 PM
#44
Lexus Fanatic
There was a fault in the electronic door handles, she didn’t know how the emergency release handles worked nor did the firefighters that cut her out of it