What do you think about Toyota's strategy to move models to hybrid only?
04-08-24, 07:14 PM
#151
Lexus Fanatic
‘Battery materials will become a national security issue. America is a self sufficient country. Why would you want to go from the world’s largest petroleum production and some of the most wealthiest companies in history to relying on battery materials from Africa?. This sets America backwards. Hydrogen production solves all this as there are two oceans on each coast.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-08-24 at 07:22 PM.
04-08-24, 07:16 PM
#152
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think about this. America, Canada, I think, Russia, and maybe a country or two in Europe can be self-sufficient on a number of factors such as agriculture, manufacturing, and energy. Why would you want to rely on on a mined resource from the other side of the world for your energy of cars? That sets America backwards. China is not a self-sufficient country. Hydrogen will absolutely win as it will become a national security risk
but why would America want to rely on a resource from outside of North America? Like I said, the United States is a self-sufficient country. Taking away your energy independence, is backwards when it comes to national security either do it with gasoline or do it with it hydrogen gas.
The American and British and Canadian gas companies will convert if you force them to
The American and British and Canadian gas companies will convert if you force them to
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A Caldera in Nevada Now Has the Most Lithium in the World.
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i saw you wrote that quiet is boring... tell that to rolls royce.
04-08-24, 07:24 PM
#153
Lexus Fanatic
ou really might consider backing away from the keyboard once in a while and do some research once. here you go:
or this:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
The Rolls Royce EV at the Toronto Auto Show was such a let down
Look how expensive it is to fix your EV
Why would you went to destroy the Earth with mining?
World's Largest Lithium Reserve Discovered Beneath California's Salton Sea
https://oilprice.com/Metals/Commodit...alton-Sea.htmlor this:
A Caldera in Nevada Now Has the Most Lithium in the World.
According to a new report, the world's largest lithium reserve is nestled along the Oregon-Nevada border in an area known as the McDermitt Caldera.https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
you really might consider backing away from the keyboard once in a while and do some research once. here you go:
or this:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
that's true. and funny.
nonsense. cars have basically 3 noise sources... engine, road/tires, and wind. eliminate the enging noose (ev) and the other 2 become more noticeable.
i saw you wrote that quiet is boring... tell that to rolls royce.
again, it's about more than just the engine. an lx570's v8 will lope along quietly at 1500rpm at 70+mph and the car has a lot of sound proofing.
pure nonsense or at best, pure speculation.
World's Largest Lithium Reserve Discovered Beneath California's Salton Sea
https://oilprice.com/Metals/Commodities/Worlds-Largest-Lithium-Reserve-Discovered-Beneath-Californias-Salton-Sea.htmlor this:
A Caldera in Nevada Now Has the Most Lithium in the World.
According to a new report, the world's largest lithium reserve is nestled along the Oregon-Nevada border in an area known as the McDermitt Caldera.https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
that's true. and funny.
nonsense. cars have basically 3 noise sources... engine, road/tires, and wind. eliminate the enging noose (ev) and the other 2 become more noticeable.
i saw you wrote that quiet is boring... tell that to rolls royce.
again, it's about more than just the engine. an lx570's v8 will lope along quietly at 1500rpm at 70+mph and the car has a lot of sound proofing.
pure nonsense or at best, pure speculation.
you really might consider backing away from the keyboard once in a while and do some research once. here you go:
or this:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
that's true. and funny.
nonsense. cars have basically 3 noise sources... engine, road/tires, and wind. eliminate the enging noose (ev) and the other 2 become more noticeable.
i saw you wrote that quiet is boring... tell that to rolls royce.
again, it's about more than just the engine. an lx570's v8 will lope along quietly at 1500rpm at 70+mph and the car has a lot of sound proofing.
pure nonsense or at best, pure speculation
.
World's Largest Lithium Reserve Discovered Beneath California's Salton Sea
https://oilprice.com/Metals/Commodities/Worlds-Largest-Lithium-Reserve-Discovered-Beneath-Californias-Salton-Sea.htmlor this:
A Caldera in Nevada Now Has the Most Lithium in the World.
According to a new report, the world's largest lithium reserve is nestled along the Oregon-Nevada border in an area known as the McDermitt Caldera.https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
that's true. and funny.
nonsense. cars have basically 3 noise sources... engine, road/tires, and wind. eliminate the enging noose (ev) and the other 2 become more noticeable.
i saw you wrote that quiet is boring... tell that to rolls royce.
again, it's about more than just the engine. an lx570's v8 will lope along quietly at 1500rpm at 70+mph and the car has a lot of sound proofing.
pure nonsense or at best, pure speculation
.
ou really might consider backing away from the keyboard once in a while and do some research once. here you go:
or this:
https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
World's Largest Lithium Reserve Discovered Beneath California's Salton Sea
https://oilprice.com/Metals/Commodit...alton-Sea.htmlor this:
A Caldera in Nevada Now Has the Most Lithium in the World.
According to a new report, the world's largest lithium reserve is nestled along the Oregon-Nevada border in an area known as the McDermitt Caldera.https://www.popularmechanics.com/sci...nd-in-nevada/#
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-08-24 at 07:38 PM.
04-08-24, 07:33 PM
#154
Lexus Fanatic
I have the perfect solution but for some reason we are not doing it, go to Saturn and mine all the hydrogen we need.
Let's be real here hydrogen economy will always be the future that never happens. It makes no sense to produce a gas using electricity, compress it, ship it, pump into tanks, then pump into tanks in a car. Then use that to produce electricity to drive the wheels. This is so dumb. And there will never be hydrogen pipelines at least with oil it can be moved very long distance in pipelines. Also oil can be stored indefinitely hydrogen leaks out of everything you put it in.
It gets worse as has been pointed out before hydrogen acts like a secondary greenhouse gas. Now imagine the devastation of a large scale storage facility exploding it could happen there have already been hydrogen fueling stations that blew up. The level of stupidity using hydrogen as transport boggles the mind.
Let's be real here hydrogen economy will always be the future that never happens. It makes no sense to produce a gas using electricity, compress it, ship it, pump into tanks, then pump into tanks in a car. Then use that to produce electricity to drive the wheels. This is so dumb. And there will never be hydrogen pipelines at least with oil it can be moved very long distance in pipelines. Also oil can be stored indefinitely hydrogen leaks out of everything you put it in.
It gets worse as has been pointed out before hydrogen acts like a secondary greenhouse gas. Now imagine the devastation of a large scale storage facility exploding it could happen there have already been hydrogen fueling stations that blew up. The level of stupidity using hydrogen as transport boggles the mind.
04-08-24, 07:42 PM
#156
Lexus Fanatic
04-08-24, 07:44 PM
#157
Lexus Fanatic
The other point is, if carmakers thought that was feasible you would see them doing that...they're not.
04-08-24, 07:46 PM
#158
Lexus Test Driver
I have the perfect solution but for some reason we are not doing it, go to Saturn and mine all the hydrogen we need.
Let's be real here hydrogen economy will always be the future that never happens. It makes no sense to produce a gas using electricity, compress it, ship it, pump into tanks, then pump into tanks in a car. Then use that to produce electricity to drive the wheels. This is so dumb. And there will never be hydrogen pipelines at least with oil it can be moved very long distance in pipelines. Also oil can be stored indefinitely hydrogen leaks out of everything you put it in.
It gets worse as has been pointed out before hydrogen acts like a secondary greenhouse gas. Now imagine the devastation of a large scale storage facility exploding it could happen there have already been hydrogen fueling stations that blew up. The level of stupidity using hydrogen as transport boggles the mind.
Let's be real here hydrogen economy will always be the future that never happens. It makes no sense to produce a gas using electricity, compress it, ship it, pump into tanks, then pump into tanks in a car. Then use that to produce electricity to drive the wheels. This is so dumb. And there will never be hydrogen pipelines at least with oil it can be moved very long distance in pipelines. Also oil can be stored indefinitely hydrogen leaks out of everything you put it in.
It gets worse as has been pointed out before hydrogen acts like a secondary greenhouse gas. Now imagine the devastation of a large scale storage facility exploding it could happen there have already been hydrogen fueling stations that blew up. The level of stupidity using hydrogen as transport boggles the mind.
That's all H is.
And in that context, Hydrogen is in everything. Lol
Occuring naturally it's found in the form of H2 gas as everyone knows but is unusable without splitting it apart.
I won't go any further on it, ya'll can laugh at me that's ok. Lol
04-08-24, 07:54 PM
#159
Lexus Fanatic
I can see a time where we have excess electricity and can use that to produce hydrogen but by then I suspect batteries will be so good no one will care.
04-08-24, 08:26 PM
#160
Lexus Fanatic
Spoiler
it is impossible to convert/supply every single vehicle on earth to batteries. For net zero happen, you need another alternative/solution.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-08-24 at 08:30 PM.
04-08-24, 08:49 PM
#161
Lexus Fanatic
Hydrogen engines have existed for decades but there has never been any serious push towards their use in mainstream cars, there are reasons for that.
04-08-24, 09:39 PM
#162
Lexus Fanatic
I don't understand the attachment to hydrogen by some it's never proven to be viable even Toyota couldn't pull it off and they are not exactly lacking when it comes to engineering. Mirai is not a great vehicles it's expensive, slow, poor interior space and impossible to own outside of a very small area.
Not that it matters Toyota has hitched their wagon to gas hybrids, hyrogen is irrelevant to them.
Not that it matters Toyota has hitched their wagon to gas hybrids, hyrogen is irrelevant to them.
04-08-24, 09:58 PM
#163
Future of energy is nuclear fission. If it can power a sub for 30 years, at smaller scale should be able to power any car for its lifetime.
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/n...-possibility/#
https://www.drive.com.au/caradvice/n...-possibility/#
04-09-24, 12:02 AM
#164
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But yeah, from the look of things smaller vehicles will remain fossil-fuel/battery for now.
It's in larger, long range commercial and passenger equipment that H2 might actually be more viable, probably due to the longer ranges, lighter weight, and faster refueling.
https://www.railway-technology.com/news/california-six-more-hydrogen-trains-stadler/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hydrogen-fuel-is-gaining-traction-with-truckers-20fca3e3
Last edited by asj2024; 04-09-24 at 01:23 AM.
04-09-24, 04:01 AM
#165
Lexus Fanatic
It's the cool factor. Let's face it, batteries aren't really cool (apologies to my own cars!)
But yeah, from the look of things smaller vehicles will remain fossil-fuel/battery for now.
It's in larger, long range commercial and passenger equipment that H2 might actually be more viable, probably due to the longer ranges, lighter weight, and faster refueling.
https://www.railway-technology.com/news/california-six-more-hydrogen-trains-stadler/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hydrogen-fuel-is-gaining-traction-with-truckers-20fca3e3
But yeah, from the look of things smaller vehicles will remain fossil-fuel/battery for now.
It's in larger, long range commercial and passenger equipment that H2 might actually be more viable, probably due to the longer ranges, lighter weight, and faster refueling.
https://www.railway-technology.com/news/california-six-more-hydrogen-trains-stadler/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hydrogen-fuel-is-gaining-traction-with-truckers-20fca3e3
. There is no way batteries can supply every vehicle need on the planet and batteries only store energy unlike hydrogen which can actually create electricity.
A carbon free world will not occur with just batteries
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 04-09-24 at 04:15 AM.