703

you know that fuel degrades in the tank right? I would not buy a car where a tank of fuel has been sitting there for 3000 miles.

asj2024

Pressurized fuel tank I think, like mine. Supposedly prevents quick fuel degradation, although it is recommended you use HV mode once in awhile.

SW17LS

It doesn't degrade that fast.

Striker223

A modern sealed tank can sit a very long time without issue

BayeauxLex

Over my 1yr of ownership I suspect my gas engine turned on twice while in EV mode. I would notice my HV range would be 1 mile less than before. I’m not totally sure when it happened, I assumed it happened at some point (the transition from EV to HV is very seamless unless you put your foot down and you will instantly notice the extra power from the gas engine). Maybe it’s some type of technology built in that allows the engine to turn on for a short period of time

Knowing that I go long periods of time between fill ups, I will use non ethanol gas. She drives the R4P on weekends. Plus she drives so much, she will run thru all of the EV range and dip into some gas. For months I drove around everyday solely on EV range with 1 mile of HV range, never dipping into the HV range. That kept her from driving all over the place. Finally I got tired of hearing “when are you going to put some gas in the Rav” so I keep gas in it so she can drive her little heart (ev range and gas range) out.

peteharvey

Make sure you fill up at least once every 3 months, otherwise oxidation causes the combustion efficiency to fall.

BayeauxLex

Thanks will do.

I’ve thought about maybe refueling to half tank which would cause me refuel more frequently.

I honestly don’t remember the last time I put fuel in it. 🫣 I just reset trip A whenever I do.

bitkahuna

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this is absurd. it takes my 5 seconds to plugin my ev.

agree that ev's for those who can't charge at home really aren't a great fit.

asj2024

1. Perhaps for you, but it's STILL much easier not to have to worry about doing this at all.

2. It takes more than 5 seconds. Have to pull into the garage, walk to the back, unlock the cover, unwind and maybe plugin the connector system, remove the caps on both ends, plug it in, check to make sure things are right. At least a minute or two, can be more.

One survey found 78% of people said they had no access to charging at home. That's a big chunk of potential buyers.

Margate330

I been thinking a lot about this thread and I can see how hybrids are attractive to people who drive a lot of miles.

What I like about the hybrids from Toyota is the battery pack is accessible under the back seats.

That's in the older Lexus', not sure about the newer ones.

For people like myself who don't drive a lot of miles, a hybrid doesn't get me excited

Ok I'll just say it.
I think Toyota is doing what they should with the hybrids

If and when the whole world moves to full EV, then and only then can I see it worth their time to go full EV but not until then.

More likely scenario is they will drizzle out some PHEVs and maybe some EVs but it won't be bread and butter for a while.

I don't see why they get such a hard time.
If someone wants an EV, gosh there's LOTS of choices. Lol

asj2024

Yep. Though the startup BEVs are starting to fall like dominoes. Fisker is probably gone for now, Lucid is in trouble, so is Rivian, Canoo, and Lordstown too. All of them not making money and just a tip away from bankruptcy. Even the first mover Tesla is resorting to staggering price cuts and current vaporware.

But that still leaves you with choices from traditional carmakers, who have not abandoned the BEV space even if they are losing money on it or not making good enough money. One of my brothers has bought the Kia EV9, which has also won some awards.

Funnily enough, Hyundai (and Honda) now seems to have bought the "self-charging" moniker for its HEVs that Toyota had been mocked for earlier. Personally, I'm fine with the name...I mean, the battery does "self charge" using regen lol


On another note, I just saw this vid that explains why H2 is not exactly the cleanest solution (at least right now). I'm a booster of H2 (simply because it tickles my science fiction bone), but now at least I have to admit that there might be problems to this technology when it comes to providing clean solutions due to its sourcing (just like batteries). I'm not blind or a total fanboi, and I can pivot to criticize stuff I at first supported with less information.

SW17LS

No, its not because you replace plugging the car in with getting gas outside your home. It takes 5 seconds, we do it every day and so does bit. A minute or two? LOL set a timer and stand in your garage and see how long 1 or two minutes is, its a LONG time. You just grab the plug, plug it into the car and thats it.

Thats not logical when 77% of people in America live in a house and not an apartment.

How are you not a billionaire with the ability to see the future?

SW17LS

So I made a video. Getting out of the car, grabbing the charger, and plugging it in. Its slightly slower than normal because I am holding the phone, filming, and using my left hand. 1-2 minutes? Not quite lol. No plugging it into the wall because its left plugged in for use multiple times a day, nothing to check and make sure it works...because it just works...and when you walk around the front of the car normally you see the lights come on. You also get a phone notification that charging has started.


Anti-EV people tout this as being some arduous thing that you have to do, but its no big deal and it becomes automatic as part of the process of parking and getting ready to drive your car, you don't even think about it.

Margate330

So easy a caveman can do it!

LeX2K

This is supposed to be a thread about hybrids and all the talk is about electric vehicles why is that?