peteharvey

Lithium ion powered EV's have only niched, and have not become mainstream because while lithium ion is decent, it still has many issues including rarely mentioned political issues as warmongering states withold production and sales; for example, warmongering states are even witholding the production of gallium and germanium so that Taiwan and the US are limited in the manufacture of chips.

The answer is alternative chemistry batteries.
It depends how good the new alternative battery chemistries are.
If the first batch of alternative chemistry batteries aren't that great, then TMC hybrids will continue to sell well as a stop gap.
However, if the alternative chemistry batteries are a genuine hit, then EV sales will spike, and the mainstream market will transition to EV's.

Toys4RJill

if everyone could just agree that gasoline, gasoline hybrid, diesel, diesel, hybrid, battery electric, and hydrogen fuel cells, could all coexist and live together eventually, you’d get to net zero industry with hydrogen being the end solution. Different solutions for different markets until then






SW17LS

I don't think all of those technologies can or will coexist. The infrastructure for Hydrogen vs EV for instance is totally different...I agree that gas and hybrid and EV will coexist for a long, long time to come but hydrogen isn't going to be the solution.

Toys4RJill

. It is impossible for battery electric to be the solution for every person on earth for the rest of humanity. Hydrogen absolutely is the endgame solution. there’s no question about that

SW17LS

How did you arrive at that conclusion?

Who said for the rest of humanity? There is no "endgame solution"...new technologies will come along, might we see Hydrogen cars en masse 100 years from now? Sure but in our lifetimes EV has too big a head start to make that feasible.

Toys4RJill

‘common sense. America can be energy self sufficient with either gasoline or hydrogen. Eventually Tesla will build hydrogen cars. Relying on lithium and mining from a country on the other side of the world sets America backwards.

SW17LS

Tesla's not building hydrogen cars lol

Toys4RJill

think about this. America, Canada, I think, Russia, and maybe a country or two in Europe can be self-sufficient on a number of factors such as agriculture, manufacturing, and energy. Why would you want to rely on on a mined resource from the other side of the world for your energy of cars? That sets America backwards. China is not a self-sufficient country. Hydrogen will absolutely win as it will become a national security risk

SW17LS

I understand that viewpoint, but that doesn't mean that all of a sudden people are going to reverse course on all of the investments made in EVs and EV architecture and chase another technology from scratch.

Toys4RJill

‘but they are reversing course. Not a full reverse. But GM and Ford will now chase gas hybrids and I guarantee manufacturers will be far less confident is investing as freely into batteries and they recently did. Batteries simply do not work for everyone whereas gasoline and hydrogen can be the solution





look at the Vinfast models sitting on the lot near me. I took this today. (But a waiting list for a Toyota hybrid)

SW17LS

Theres a difference between delaying EVs for Hybrids and trying to adopt yet another powertrain design requiring extensive nationwide architecture which doesn't exist.

Toys4RJill

a proper electrical grid that can support 15-17 million new electric vehicles in the USA doesn’t exist either.

peteharvey

True.

You mean it is too difficult for lithium ion to be a solution.
However, solutions can be found with alternative chemistry battery breakthroughs - which surely will come in the next decade.

SW17LS

But the electrical grid exists and can be upgraded. There is NO hydrogen infrastructure at all.

Toys4RJill

but why would America want to rely on a resource from outside of North America? Like I said, the United States is a self-sufficient country. Taking away your energy independence, is backwards when it comes to national security either do it with gasoline or do it with it hydrogen gas.

The American and British and Canadian gas companies will convert if you force them to