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I almost purchased the Hyundai Genesis nee Genesis G80 back in 2015, and that car debut with a whopping 35,000 units in its first full year!
If the Lexus 5LS poorly understood what consumers want in a full size luxury sedan, then Genesis G90 misunderstands what the market wants even more.
I almost purchased the Hyundai Genesis nee Genesis G80 back in 2015, and that car debut with a whopping 35,000 units in its first full year!
If the Lexus 5LS poorly understood what consumers want in a full size luxury sedan, then Genesis G90 misunderstands what the market wants even more.
Nope, it's always been a dealer allocation/production/supply deal like all Genesis products as I've explained to you in a dozen different threads prior lol. The G90 currently only has 351 new on sale currently in the US while the LS has 403.
I guarantee you the G90 will outlive the LS, which likely won't be alive after this generation.
You're looking at sales figures in a vacuum. For one sales of sedans and especially luxury sedans are much smaller now than they were 10 years ago, so comparing the two doesn't make any sense. Lexus also has a huge dealer network from which to sell the LS and Genesis doesn't have that. You have a lot of built in buyers who just always buy a Lexus LS that Genesis doesn't have.
The sales figures don't 100% tell you the relative quality and appeal of each vehicle. I can tell you as a 4 time Lexus LS consumer, the G90 is a much better Lexus LS than the LS500.
Speaking of sales, there's 94 new LS's leftover last year still on sale nationwide, but only 39 G90's. For reference the 7 Series which outsells them both combined only has 53 leftover. No surprise if Lexus pulls the plug on the LS.
Nope, it's always been a dealer allocation/production/supply deal like all Genesis products as I've explained to you in a dozen different threads prior lol. The G90 currently only has 351 new on sale currently in the US while the LS has 403.
I guarantee you the G90 will outlive the LS, which likely won't be alive after this generation.
There is only so much stock, because there is only so much production, because there is only so much demand for the poor all new 2022 G90.
Genesis has produced many more G80's/90's in the recent past.
Whether we compare G80/G90 sedans with cheaper competitors like Lexus 7ES sedan, or more expensive competitors like E Class and 5 Series sedans, G80/90 sales are not good.
Just me, but I can't stand FWD-based chassis; the steering feel is horrible compared to RWD-based.
RWD-based steering is lighter, more feel/communication, tighter turning circle, less self-centering, no torque steer, more throttle steer for less handfuls of steering wheel understeer, faster steering response, and more terminal grip.
However, I must say that the FWD-based NX/RX with low-cost overheads combined with higher sales - must be making absolutely bags of money for Toyota Motor Corp.
Originally Posted by SW17LS
You're looking at sales figures in a vacuum. For one sales of sedans and especially luxury sedans are much smaller now than they were 10 years ago, so comparing the two doesn't make any sense. Lexus also has a huge dealer network from which to sell the LS and Genesis doesn't have that. You have a lot of built in buyers who just always buy a Lexus LS that Genesis doesn't have.
The sales figures don't 100% tell you the relative quality and appeal of each vehicle. I can tell you as a 4 time Lexus LS consumer, the G90 is a much better Lexus LS than the LS500.
True.
You have a point there.
Sedan sales have declined.
However, we are comparing apples to apples.
We are comparing current all new 2022 G90 sedan with ageing 2018 5LS sedan, and sales of all new 2022 released G90 is more woeful than ever.
Originally Posted by Motorola
Speaking of sales, there's 94 new LS's leftover last year still on sale nationwide, but only 39 G90's. For reference the 7 Series which outsells them both combined only has 53 leftover. No surprise if Lexus pulls the plug on the LS.
Yes, they could cancel the LS.
However, I suspect LS will be replaced by full electric BEV.
This is an old argument. Genesis is never going to have the same level of sales as Lexus, at least not for a long while. Something selling the most does not mean it’s the best at all, in fact many cars that are top sellers are not the best cars in their segment. Point is, if you actually want a true premium car on a premium platform that is RWD, Genesis is making better cars than Lexus right now. If you want the best selling car and not the best car, then that’s a different decision.
People buy brand, you see that at play here. Many people regardless of what the competition offers will just always buy a Lexus, it could be a horse cart and they would buy it. Same is true of MB and BMW, Genesis doesn’t yet have that, nor do they have the dealer network or production reach to sell 250k cars in the US. They are making great products though, and they will hopefully get there.
This is an old argument. Genesis is never going to have the same level of sales as Lexus, at least not for a long while. Something selling the most does not mean it’s the best at all, in fact many cars that are top sellers are not the best cars in their segment. Point is, if you actually want a true premium car on a premium platform that is RWD, Genesis is making better cars than Lexus right now. If you want the best selling car and not the best car, then that’s a different decision.
People buy brand, you see that at play here. Many people regardless of what the competition offers will just always buy a Lexus, it could be a horse cart and they would buy it. Same is true of MB and BMW, Genesis doesn’t yet have that, nor do they have the dealer network or production reach to sell 250k cars in the US. They are making great products though, and they will hopefully get there.
The problem with Genesis is they don’t have a unicorn car like Lexus did with the LS400 that propelled the brand. In fact, Genesis is often overshadowed by Kia and Hyundai when it comes to EVs.
There is only so much stock, because there is only so much production, because there is only so much demand for the poor all new 2022 G90.
Genesis has produced many more G80's/90's in the recent past.
Not at all how it works, cars are given a production quota before they go on sale. The Palisade and Telluride spent years being supply-constrained because the factories were only made to produce a certain quota, and a certain quota was only available to the US market. Genesis decided how many G90's and G80's would be available for sale in the US market before they even allocated inventory. What does it tell you when there's more LS500's left over than G90's and 7 Series combined from last year?
If you look at sales figures only, the Highlander outsells both the Palisade and Telluride. Yet Toyota had to create the Grand Highlander to compete against the Korean twins anyway, because even they recognize that higher sales don't correlate to a better product.
Yes, they could cancel the LS.
However, I suspect LS will be replaced by full electric BEV.
Yes because the RZ has been such a success lol. Fanciful Toyota wishlists are a dime a dozen.
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