SW17LS

Bentley is not a mainstream company, nor are they a tech leader. They will have this technology once they license it from someone else. I think Mercedes who is one of the industry leaders in safety is a pretty sensible company. Most of the safety features on every car today were pioneered by Mercedes.

Again, where are all the vehicle accidents from these types of driver aid systems? Short of some having to do with Tesla, you don't hear about a lot. By your logic they should be everywhere

LeX2K

There is no perfect for any mode of transport I am baffled why anyone thinks that is a requirement before autonomous cars are mainstream. You can't drive, fly, walk, take a bus or in general move from one place to another via any method with 100% safely and will never be able to.

AJT123

You've got to watch Boardwalk Empire for a detailed, accurate portrayal of a century ago but that's for the other thread. It's stunning.

And I agree with your other statement... but what I'm talking about is wayyyyy down the line. I mean tech like having virtually every road communicating with cars, all cars communicate with other cars, just fully autonomous to where you don't have to do literally anything in any car except just ride. That's what I mean will take a century.

Margate330

I agree 100%.

​​​​​However, we no longer live in a society where a man's word is worth anything.

I see this as a nightmare because the blame shifts to whoever wants to lie and sue.

PS, plus the possibility of a scandal where the mfg knew there were problems but covered it up. Yikes!

mmarshall

That's true. I'm not arguing that. For decades, Mercedes and Volvo have pretty much written the book on new safety features. But autonomous self-driving is another whole world. Nothing even remotely this complex, even with ABS, traction-control, VSC, lane-keeping, etc.... has ever been tried before. It has to anticipate and try and correct for almost every possible combination of road conditions, which is virtually impossible, even for a supercomputer.

Striker223

Yeah so? My cars do that as well and it's more stressful for me to mind them vs just steer passively without thinking. I'm already sitting there having to monitor the car and that is more stressful not knowing exactly how it will react and having to wait for it to say something is wrong and I have to step in anyway.

Same with the rental Tesla except even more annoying. If I'm not driving I do not want to drive at all, the system has to be good enough that I do not have to mind it whatsoever. Otherwise it annoyed me more than just doing it myself since it's not as good as me and I constantly have to mind it.

AJT123

I just can't believe these people with very high IQs fall/fell asleep with Teslas.... I see a lot of this in the Bay Area which has a million of them. One of the guys that died because he fell asleep was a software engineer. Getting a PhD in Engineering isn't easy, you have to be smart.

They're smarter than a person like me brain-wise but I would NEVER trust that, EVER, instinct wise.

Striker223

Well you see here I'm sitting in the seat already.....I'm already in the position of driver so why should I tolerate a system that I have to monitor and does worse than me? Now if I can go sit in the back and sleep that's fine, but if I'm already "driving" it's just annoying

Last year about this time I borrowed my neighbors plaid for a week, we traded cars basically since he has never had a flagship. We both wanted to try something we hadn't had, he traded the Tesla for a Taycan after that

Striker223

I would totally sleep on the back if a system was as good as my wife driving! They aren't though.

SW17LS

Your cars are much older than my car, this technology gets better over time, people on the MB forums who have had both pre refresh and post refresh S Classes for instance say the post refresh is a huge improvement. Almost certainly the system in my car works better than what you have. In my car testing the new systems are even better than what I have.

Theres nothing to mind, I am still driving…it’s just helping me drive by doing most of the heavy lifting and allows me to focus less on keeping the car between the lines etc. It takes a lot of the strain out of driving for long distances.

Plus…you don’t have to use the feature. Nobody is forcing you to. If you don’t like it, dont use it.

LeX2K

Pretty sure a persons IQ doesn't make a difference if they fall asleep behind the wheel or not.

AJT123

No, they let themselves fall asleep on purpose and trust the self driving.

LeX2K

What happens if you set your cruise control and fall asleep? The "on purpose" part of your post is pretty funny I'll say that.

SW17LS

But you are arguing that when you say companies are irresponsible for using this technology. Give Mercedes the benefit of the doubt.

And no offense, but you really don’t know what computers and AI are capable of doing. You think you do, but you don’t.

Gojirra99

in the future, we don’t need roads