Mercedes becomes the first automaker to sell autonomous cars in the U.S.
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Again, where are all the vehicle accidents from these types of driver aid systems? Short of some having to do with Tesla, you don't hear about a lot. By your logic they should be everywhere
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There is no perfect for any mode of transport I am baffled why anyone thinks that is a requirement before autonomous cars are mainstream. You can't drive, fly, walk, take a bus or in general move from one place to another via any method with 100% safely and will never be able to.
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I think we are way less than a century away. Think about how far technology has come since 1924 (a century ago)...the difference between 1924 and 1974, and 1974 and 2024 (50 year gaps). We can't even fathom what we will have in 2074 (50 years from now).
We have cars today that largely drive themselves and completely drive themselves...in even 10 years this tech will be dramatically more advanced. Will EVERYBODY be driving an autonomous car in 10 years? For certain not.
And I agree with your other statement... but what I'm talking about is wayyyyy down the line. I mean tech like having virtually every road communicating with cars, all cars communicate with other cars, just fully autonomous to where you don't have to do literally anything in any car except just ride. That's what I mean will take a century.
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There is no perfect for any mode of transport I am baffled why anyone thinks that is a requirement before autonomous cars are mainstream. You can't drive, fly, walk, take a bus or in general move from one place to another via any method with 100% safely and will never be able to.
However, we no longer live in a society where a man's word is worth anything.
I see this as a nightmare because the blame shifts to whoever wants to lie and sue.
PS, plus the possibility of a scandal where the mfg knew there were problems but covered it up. Yikes!
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Then dont use it.
To me these systems just make driving easier. I dont look for them to "drive for me", I look for them to take much of the stress of driving off of me.
Thats why I love the Distronic in the Mercedes. It maintains distance, it keeps the car in the center of the lane, and you don't realize how much strain that takes off of you. I just got back from driving the Pacifica back and forth from NJ, it doesn't have any kind of lane centering tech and the difference is huge. You look down to find a chicken nugget or your sunglasses or something and all of a sudden you're out of your lane, doesn't happen in the Mercedes
To me these systems just make driving easier. I dont look for them to "drive for me", I look for them to take much of the stress of driving off of me.
Thats why I love the Distronic in the Mercedes. It maintains distance, it keeps the car in the center of the lane, and you don't realize how much strain that takes off of you. I just got back from driving the Pacifica back and forth from NJ, it doesn't have any kind of lane centering tech and the difference is huge. You look down to find a chicken nugget or your sunglasses or something and all of a sudden you're out of your lane, doesn't happen in the Mercedes
Same with the rental Tesla except even more annoying. If I'm not driving I do not want to drive at all, the system has to be good enough that I do not have to mind it whatsoever. Otherwise it annoyed me more than just doing it myself since it's not as good as me and I constantly have to mind it.
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They're smarter than a person like me brain-wise but I would NEVER trust that, EVER, instinct wise.
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how long is "a while ago"? this stuff is evolving fast.
that's called a controlling personality.![Stick Out Tongue](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/tongue.gif)
that's the whole point of self driving assistance or full driving.![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
my ioniq 5 can drive itself for long distances on interstates with no interaction (it's called highway driving assist [hda] 2). very relaxing.
lol. good question! their idea of progress is more wood and organ stop controls.![Big Grin](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
yup, my humble ioniq 5 is the same.
yes my lc500 has terrible lane keeping but it will at least beep if you're drifting out of your lane.![Embarrassment](https://www.clublexus.com/forums/images/smilies/redface.gif)
this got improved for 2024 model year though (finally).
that's called a controlling personality.
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that's the whole point of self driving assistance or full driving.
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my ioniq 5 can drive itself for long distances on interstates with no interaction (it's called highway driving assist [hda] 2). very relaxing.
lol. good question! their idea of progress is more wood and organ stop controls.
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yup, my humble ioniq 5 is the same.
yes my lc500 has terrible lane keeping but it will at least beep if you're drifting out of your lane.
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this got improved for 2024 model year though (finally).
Last year about this time I borrowed my neighbors plaid for a week, we traded cars basically since he has never had a flagship. We both wanted to try something we hadn't had, he traded the Tesla for a Taycan after that
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I just can't believe these people with very high IQs fall/fell asleep with Teslas.... I see a lot of this in the Bay Area which has a million of them. One of the guys that died because he fell asleep was a software engineer. Getting a PhD in Engineering isn't easy, you have to be smart.
They're smarter than a person like me brain-wise but I would NEVER trust that, EVER, instinct wise.
They're smarter than a person like me brain-wise but I would NEVER trust that, EVER, instinct wise.
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Yeah so? My cars do that as well and it's more stressful for me to mind them vs just steer passively without thinking. I'm already sitting there having to monitor the car and that is more stressful not knowing exactly how it will react and having to wait for it to say something is wrong and I have to step in anyway.
Same with the rental Tesla except even more annoying. If I'm not driving I do not want to drive at all, the system has to be good enough that I do not have to mind it whatsoever. Otherwise it annoyed me more than just doing it myself since it's not as good as me and I constantly have to mind it.
Same with the rental Tesla except even more annoying. If I'm not driving I do not want to drive at all, the system has to be good enough that I do not have to mind it whatsoever. Otherwise it annoyed me more than just doing it myself since it's not as good as me and I constantly have to mind it.
Theres nothing to mind, I am still driving…it’s just helping me drive by doing most of the heavy lifting and allows me to focus less on keeping the car between the lines etc. It takes a lot of the strain out of driving for long distances.
Plus…you don’t have to use the feature. Nobody is forcing you to. If you don’t like it, dont use it.
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I just can't believe these people with very high IQs fall/fell asleep with Teslas.... I see a lot of this in the Bay Area which has a million of them. One of the guys that died because he fell asleep was a software engineer. Getting a PhD in Engineering isn't easy, you have to be smart.
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That's true. I'm not arguing that. For decades, Mercedes and Volvo have pretty much written the book on new safety features. But autonomous self-driving is another whole world. Nothing even remotely this complex, even with ABS, traction-control, VSC, lane-keeping, etc.... has ever been tried before. It has to anticipate and try and correct for almost every possible combination of road conditions, which is virtually impossible, even for a supercomputer.
And no offense, but you really don’t know what computers and AI are capable of doing. You think you do, but you don’t.
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