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Old 04-28-24 | 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
First, what you call mediocre may not be what others do...opinions vary. When a vehicle that people still want is discontinued, the value of previously-owned ones goes up, particularly if they have been well-maintained. Classic examples of that was when GM dropped the full-size, V8, body-on-frame sedans/wagons after 1996, to convert the Arlington, TX plant to truck/SUV production, and when Ford, some years later, dropped the similar Crown Vic, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car. The values of used ones shot up, and remained high for years. Taxi companies and law-enforcement were especially angry, as the Crown Vic had been their staple for years....some police departments are still grumbling about that decision, years later.
I think the grumbling by police departments over the demise of the Impala and Crown Vic is probably winding down. It's been 15-20 years or so since they were discontinued and, in that time, most veteran officers who missed them have retired.
Old 04-28-24 | 05:57 PM
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2011 is when the Crown Vic was discontinued so 13 years ago and the Charger has just been discontinued. Which is what Memphis PD has bought since 2008. Now they’re switching to Explorers. No more police sedans for sale now.
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I think the grumbling by police departments over the demise of the Impala and Crown Vic is probably winding down. It's been 15-20 years or so since they were discontinued and, in that time, most veteran officers who missed them have retired.

I still see some officers grumbling today....although, as you say, many have retired.

Even though the Crown Vic, being RWD, was not very space-efficient inside, it had a huge trunk for carrying all that police-gear, and its frame could take a lot more punishment from abuse and high-speed chases than the newer unibody vehicles.
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How many police officers grumble to you and how do you come to interact with them?
Old 04-28-24 | 06:47 PM
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How many police officers grumble to you and how do you come to interact with them?
I see a number of them regularly in my daily shopping rounds....and in some of the eating-places I use (and, of course, in the donut shops LOL) In fact, some of them like the fact that I point out scofflaws that park in handicapped spaces without passes, use the private parking lots as commuter cut-throughs to avoid traffic lights (this is illegal in VA), and regularly break other traffic laws. I also live very near a State Trooper. I often, but not always, talk about vehicles with them. The biggest single complaint, hands-down, even after some 15 years or so, is the loss of the Crown Vic.

Fortunately, I have never had to interact with them while wearing these.........

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Originally Posted by geko29
There are no shortage of people who are "sad to see sedans go", and yet own zero sedans and several bulby SUVs. That cognitive dissonance is one of the primary drivers behind the death of the sedan.
most people get 'sad' about change, and nostalgia for things past which they now see through rose colored glasses and miss the 'good old days'.

when they put a decent sized piece of furniture in an suv, they forget that was/is impossible in a sedan. or when they go to costco and fill the suv with giant boxes of stuff.

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It’s like the beach town that we go to, Ocean City, MD. all the old small motels and all on the boardwalk are one by one being torn down and replaced with modern nice hotels. People online constantly complain about the loss of the old motels that have been there forever. When you ask them when the last time they stayed in one they would never stay in one lol. It’s a business, those people smiling at that old crappy motel that’s been there since 1954 as they walk by on the boardwalk doesn’t pay their bills.
great post. change happens.

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The biggest single complaint, hands-down, even after some 15 years or so, is the loss of the Crown Vic.
i doubt that's their 'biggest single complaint' vs. things like how people they catch are released the same day and some of the people they have to deal with these days.

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Yes, all the police officers I know have much deeper complaints than the loss of a car over 15 years ago. You know, like the fact that they could be killed any given day, that they are underpaid and incredibly overworked, that they are maligned and hated by the very public they risk their lives to protect...you know those kinds of things lol

In fact, I doubt many of them give a crap about what kind of police car they drive.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
It actually sold decently until the Outback came along. The Legacy, which spawned the Outback, was essentially a victim of its own success...the Outback was an even better idea, and was exactly what the public wanted.
that's almost 30 years ago now; it's not relevant today
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I've heard from some that a few agencies that still have a few old crown vics on hand assign them to officers who pissed off management. I think most officers would prefer an Explorer today.
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Originally Posted by FrankReynoldsCPA
I've heard from some that a few agencies that still have a few old crown vics on hand assign them to officers who pissed off management. I think most officers would prefer an Explorer today.

Granted, the Explorer does have a lot of space inside, particularly in the cargo area, but it now lacks something it once had that police like......body-on-frame construction. And the quality control on newer Explorers, by today's standards, has been atrocious.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Yes, all the police officers I know have much deeper complaints than the loss of a car over 15 years ago. You know, like the fact that they could be killed any given day, that they are underpaid and incredibly overworked, that they are maligned and hated by the very public they risk their lives to protect...you know those kinds of things lol

In fact, I doubt many of them give a crap about what kind of police car they drive.
We're getting off-topic a little, but I agree they are probably underpaid, considering that they have potentially dangerous work and could end up as a casualty on any given day of the week. All the more, IMHO, to respect their opinions.


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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Granted, the Explorer does have a lot of space inside, particularly in the cargo area, but it now lacks something it once had that police like......body-on-frame construction. And the quality control on newer Explorers, by today's standards, has been atrocious.
Why does a police officer care about a vehicle being body on frame? Again, a police car is a tool to a police officer. You're giving it more thought than they do.

Quality control of Crown Vics was atrocious...
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Why does a police officer care about a vehicle being body on frame? Again, a police car is a tool to a police officer. You're giving it more thought than they do.
Police officers sometimes have to do things with vehicles that boggle the imagination. I once lived across street from a Virginia State Trooper....he later was transferred to Richmond as part of the Governor's official security-guard unit. He had one of the old body-on-frame Chevy Impala/Caprice police cruisers before GM converted the Arlington, TX plant to truck/SUV production. He brought it home one night covered in mud, with dirt packed up all inside the fenders. I asked him what the **** did he did to it. He said he had to chase a suspect in a van, off-road, across a plowed field....but he got the guy, and was later given an award for a drug-bust. I helped him clean it up with a couple of hoses and a bunch of labor.....it was too much for a regular car wash. In appreciation, he gave me a State Police-cap.

Try something like that in a unibody Taurus, Charger, or other similar vehicle and you could turn the frame onto a pretzel.


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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Police officers sometimes have to do things with vehicles that boggle the imagination. I once lived across street from a Virginia State Trooper....he later was transferred to Richmond as part of the Governor's official security-guard unit. He had one of the old body-on-frame Chevy Impala/Caprice police cruisers before GM converted the Arlington, TX plant to truck/SUV production. He brought it home one night covered in mud, with dirt packed up all inside the fenders. I asked him what the **** did he did to it. He said he had to chase a suspect in a van, off-road, across a plowed field....but he got the guy, and was later given an award for a drug-bust. I helped him clean it up with a couple of hoses and a bunch of labor.....it was too much for a regular car wash. In appreciation, he gave me a State Police-cap.

Try something like that in a unibody Taurus, Charger, or other similar vehicle and you could turn the frame onto a pretzel.
But a unibody Explorer is going to be much better at that than a BOF Crown Vic. The vehicle being body on frame doesn’t make a RWD sedan capable of blasting through fields and mud.

Police departments also have Tahoes and such that are even more capable than an Explorer.

Tauruses haven’t been made for 5 years, so nobody is talking about a Taurus.
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
Tauruses haven’t been made for 5 years, so nobody is talking about a Taurus.
Nobody was talking about them when they were still in production either, which is exactly why they're not. Kind of like the Legacy, the subject of this thread.



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