In 1979, why would I buy a Mercedes, bmw, toyota etc over this?
05-11-24, 05:15 AM
#16
Lexus Fanatic
One thing that surprises me with Teslas (although this may be explained somewhat by the automatic-braking) is why they are not involved in more accidents where one hits the rear bumper of the vehicles in front of them. When I sampled a Tesla 3, it had to be the quickest-accelerating sedan from low speeds that I have ever experienced.......it would easily dust off some of the fastest American muscle-cars from the 1960s that I grew up with, and even seemed faster than the E63 AMG I had once test-drove. Get careless or overdo it with your right foot on the pedal, and, in just a second or two, you could easily get in real trouble with pedestrians or vehicles in front of you.
As of today you are correct, they have made great strides in their safety ratings. It’s been a rocky road for them from inception, remembering that the early models were less than. I think it’s unfair to compare Volvo’s history to Tesla simply because or the age of the two brands. Volvo’s commitment to safety innovations speaks for itself. Like I said earlier they were doing it before their competitors had any serious interest in it. But I stand corrected. YMMV
In fact, many of the engineers that made Mercedes and Volvos etc safe likely designed Teslas also...
Bottom line is I would have no concerns about safety buying a Tesla,.
05-11-24, 11:45 AM
#17
Lexus Fanatic
In 1979, why would I buy a Mercedes, bmw, toyota etc over this?
05-11-24, 12:45 PM
#18
Lexus Test Driver
Would freeze you out of there. Lol
Could probably drive down the road with windows open and AC on max.
05-11-24, 01:23 PM
#19
Lexus Fanatic
Nice try, Jill. Back then, that was the case, but a few years later, MB, BMW, and Toyota all three built plants here in the U.S.
Last edited by mmarshall; 05-11-24 at 02:04 PM.
05-11-24, 01:41 PM
#21
Lexus Fanatic
05-11-24, 02:04 PM
#22
Lexus Fanatic
Yes. Did you read where I said not many years later all three manufacturers were using American labor?
My point was that you cannot use the labor argument as an excuse....although it is true that, back then (1979), in general, German and Japanese vehicles were built much better than the average Detroit product. But that was not necessarily the fault of the UAW or American workers.....the American manufacturers were simply taking too many shortcuts in their designs.
05-11-24, 02:29 PM
#23
Lexus Fanatic
Yes. Did you read where I said not many years later all three manufacturers were using American labor?
My point was that you cannot use the labor argument as an excuse....although it is true that, back then (1979), in general, German and Japanese vehicles were built much better than the average Detroit product. But that was not necessarily the fault of the UAW or American workers.....the American manufacturers were simply taking too many shortcuts in their designs.
My point was that you cannot use the labor argument as an excuse....although it is true that, back then (1979), in general, German and Japanese vehicles were built much better than the average Detroit product. But that was not necessarily the fault of the UAW or American workers.....the American manufacturers were simply taking too many shortcuts in their designs.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 05-11-24 at 02:38 PM.
05-11-24, 03:34 PM
#24
Lexus Fanatic
The thread is clearly about 1979 and what somebody would buy in 1979. What happened after that doesn’t make any difference lol
05-11-24, 04:09 PM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
I'm well-aware of what was on the market in 1979, thank you. It was perhaps at the peak of what came to be known in the auto industry as the "Malise Era"...although, by then, catalytic converters, power front disc brakes, and electronic ignition had taken away some of the problems and unreliability with earlier vehicles. Decent fuel-delivery systems, however, except on a few brands, had to wait another 6-10 years or so for electronic fuel-injection to finally replace what IMO should have been tossed out in the early 1970s....carburators.
05-11-24, 05:34 PM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
I'm well-aware of what was on the market in 1979, thank you. It was perhaps at the peak of what came to be known in the auto industry as the "Malise Era"...although, by then, catalytic converters, power front disc brakes, and electronic ignition had taken away some of the problems and unreliability with earlier vehicles. Decent fuel-delivery systems, however, except on a few brands, had to wait another 6-10 years or so for electronic fuel-injection to finally replace what IMO should have been tossed out in the early 1970s....carburators.
05-12-24, 10:25 AM
#27
Intermediate
Thread Starter
05-12-24, 10:40 AM
#29
Lexus Champion
The first Gen Q7 does, it outperformed the Volvo 90. I'm sure the Mercedes vehicles also do exceptionally well as they are leaders in impact resistance for all classes
05-12-24, 11:32 AM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
Tesla and Volvo are tops in my book. I recently came across this video. I don’t know of another car that would pass this test even in 2023, 20 years later. https://youtu.be/R8Gvcv6T5Nw?feature=shared
It's (possible) that some of the Subaru models from the early/mid-2000s might. I remember that some fire/rescue companies were complaining that the B-pillars on some of those Forester and Outback models were so strong that they had trouble cutting through them to try and get at trapped people inside, even with the powerful Jaws of Life machines.
In fact, there was even a CL thread on this long ago, although the article that the OP, GFerg, attached now seems to be missing.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...-a-subaru.html
Last edited by mmarshall; 05-12-24 at 11:35 AM.