Why Toyota Is Beating Ford
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11-23-03, 09:11 AM
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I was interviewed by a book author about why I thought the Japanese car companies were doing so well against Detroit and I said the biggest reason is that the Detroit car companies don't respect the consumer, and believes they can get away with selling CRAP to the consumer and they'll buy with incentives if needed. Why do they behave this way? Because it's worked for a century! By cigar chomping management with egos and bonus checks big enough they didn't need to sweat the details. But their "strategy" is being beaten by giving consumers what they truly want - RELIABLE vehicles that are EASY to use.
Granted, we could point to other examples where the Detroit argument works... PC vs. Mac. The Macs are more reliable and easier to use yet businesses and consumers buy PC's with rebates and gimmicks. Maybe the difference there is that Apple didn't make the Mac useful enough to business for them not to buy PCs and that businesses don't want to be locked into one vendor. Once business was locked onto PCs then consumers went with it to be compatible with work (and mostly so they could use stolen software) and because PCs are usually cheaper.
Granted, we could point to other examples where the Detroit argument works... PC vs. Mac. The Macs are more reliable and easier to use yet businesses and consumers buy PC's with rebates and gimmicks. Maybe the difference there is that Apple didn't make the Mac useful enough to business for them not to buy PCs and that businesses don't want to be locked into one vendor. Once business was locked onto PCs then consumers went with it to be compatible with work (and mostly so they could use stolen software) and because PCs are usually cheaper.
11-23-03, 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by bitkahuna
I was interviewed by a book author about why I thought the Japanese car companies were doing so well against Detroit and I said the biggest reason is that the Detroit car companies don't respect the consumer, and believes they can get away with selling CRAP to the consumer and they'll buy with incentives if needed. Why do they behave this way? Because it's worked for a century! By cigar chomping management with egos and bonus checks big enough they didn't need to sweat the details. But their "strategy" is being beaten by giving consumers what they truly want - RELIABLE vehicles that are EASY to use.
Granted, we could point to other examples where the Detroit argument works... PC vs. Mac. The Macs are more reliable and easier to use yet businesses and consumers buy PC's with rebates and gimmicks. Maybe the difference there is that Apple didn't make the Mac useful enough to business for them not to buy PCs and that businesses don't want to be locked into one vendor. Once business was locked onto PCs then consumers went with it to be compatible with work (and mostly so they could use stolen software) and because PCs are usually cheaper.
I was interviewed by a book author about why I thought the Japanese car companies were doing so well against Detroit and I said the biggest reason is that the Detroit car companies don't respect the consumer, and believes they can get away with selling CRAP to the consumer and they'll buy with incentives if needed. Why do they behave this way? Because it's worked for a century! By cigar chomping management with egos and bonus checks big enough they didn't need to sweat the details. But their "strategy" is being beaten by giving consumers what they truly want - RELIABLE vehicles that are EASY to use.
Granted, we could point to other examples where the Detroit argument works... PC vs. Mac. The Macs are more reliable and easier to use yet businesses and consumers buy PC's with rebates and gimmicks. Maybe the difference there is that Apple didn't make the Mac useful enough to business for them not to buy PCs and that businesses don't want to be locked into one vendor. Once business was locked onto PCs then consumers went with it to be compatible with work (and mostly so they could use stolen software) and because PCs are usually cheaper.
Do you know the name of the book? I was just looking at a new release are borders this morning, forget the name but it was something to do with ford losing to the foreign auto makers....
11-23-03, 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by jpa2400
Do you know the name of the book? I was just looking at a new release are borders this morning, forget the name but it was something to do with ford losing to the foreign auto makers....
Do you know the name of the book? I was just looking at a new release are borders this morning, forget the name but it was something to do with ford losing to the foreign auto makers....
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...lance&n=507846
11-23-03, 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by bitkahuna
I found the e-mail from the author with the book name. It's "The End of Detroit: How the Big Three Lost Their Grip on the American Car Market". Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...lance&n=507846
I found the e-mail from the author with the book name. It's "The End of Detroit: How the Big Three Lost Their Grip on the American Car Market". Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...lance&n=507846
Every read "Taken for a Ride" ?
11-23-03, 05:52 PM
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Yes, but today I went and looked at the new F-150 truck. Blows away the Toyota Tundra, so Ford can do some things right.
11-23-03, 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by JSnake916
'03 Cobra...There is another thing that they got right as well
'03 Cobra...There is another thing that they got right as well
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11-24-03, 03:47 PM
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Originally posted by Yankees Diva
lol i gotta admit im a sucker for the cobra.....always have been but that svt with the whistle sound yuuuk. im sorry thats suppose to be true american muscle not a cheap honda under the hood. that ford concept that was at the ny auto show earlier this year thats a possible remake of the old shelby and other model mustangs from bak in the day should be really nice if they do definitly release it. i mean theres nothing wrong with superchargers and turbos but i beleive an american classic like that should be **** diesel!! lol
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lol i gotta admit im a sucker for the cobra.....always have been but that svt with the whistle sound yuuuk. im sorry thats suppose to be true american muscle not a cheap honda under the hood. that ford concept that was at the ny auto show earlier this year thats a possible remake of the old shelby and other model mustangs from bak in the day should be really nice if they do definitly release it. i mean theres nothing wrong with superchargers and turbos but i beleive an american classic like that should be **** diesel!! lol
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11-25-03, 01:50 PM
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Both GM and Ford are in trouble. I read how the new Pontiac GTO does not have a sunroof because they rushed it to market in ONLY 18 months. Interesting that the new Solara was designed from scratch and brought to market in 19 months. To make it worse, the GTO was an existing car that only needed conversion! Not that it was a simple one, but still.
11-25-03, 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by doug_999
Both GM and Ford are in trouble. I read how the new Pontiac GTO does not have a sunroof because they rushed it to market in ONLY 18 months. Interesting that the new Solara was designed from scratch and brought to market in 19 months. To make it worse, the GTO was an existing car that only needed conversion! Not that it was a simple one, but still.
Both GM and Ford are in trouble. I read how the new Pontiac GTO does not have a sunroof because they rushed it to market in ONLY 18 months. Interesting that the new Solara was designed from scratch and brought to market in 19 months. To make it worse, the GTO was an existing car that only needed conversion! Not that it was a simple one, but still.
It was quite interesting
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