Toyota Camry Still King of Sedan Sales....2025 Version will be All-Hybrid.
06-03-24, 12:20 PM
#17
Lexus Champion
My parents had a first gen Camry ('86), a second gen ('89), and a third gen ('95). That first gen Camry was a huge step up over the '85 Corolla they replaced it with. Then when they bought the '89 Camry, it was our first car with power windows (yay!) and power seatbelts (not yay). They replaced the '89 with a '94 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme, which they hated, so they traded it in for a '95 Camry and they kept that one for 10 years or so. Great car. I remember being amazed at how much quieter it was than the previous Camrys.
To round this out to the current/'25 Camry, I actually really like it. I think moving to a hybrid only platform is fine. It'll be better than the previous non hybrid 4 cylinder, which really wasn't a great setup in my opinion. The V6 was pretty great, but didn't sell in any meaningful numbers, so I get it. This will do well.
To round this out to the current/'25 Camry, I actually really like it. I think moving to a hybrid only platform is fine. It'll be better than the previous non hybrid 4 cylinder, which really wasn't a great setup in my opinion. The V6 was pretty great, but didn't sell in any meaningful numbers, so I get it. This will do well.
06-03-24, 12:48 PM
#18
My father bought '87 and '91 Camrys, and one of my best friend's parents had an '86. The second gen was a huge improvement. Then, two months after my Dad got his '91, my Uncle bought a '92 which felt like an entirely different class of car than the second gen. Like a Civic to a C Class, the 3rd gen was a significant improvement. The 4th gen was a huge let down.
Going back to the 2025, I am very impressed by the exterior design. Last month I had a 2024 Camry LE on vacation as a rental, and it needed a refresh. I like the hybrid only idea, hopefully it will be easier to find than the Prius which is also an impressive redesign but impossible to find on lots. I wish the panoramic roof on the Prius Limited opened and that the Camry XLE didn't have that fabric on the dash. Not sure which I'd choose, but both are compelling when a year ago neither was. I am also intrigued by the upcoming Crown Signia, dumb name notwithstanding. Toyota is on a little bit of a roll, which they paid the same attention to Lexus.
Going back to the 2025, I am very impressed by the exterior design. Last month I had a 2024 Camry LE on vacation as a rental, and it needed a refresh. I like the hybrid only idea, hopefully it will be easier to find than the Prius which is also an impressive redesign but impossible to find on lots. I wish the panoramic roof on the Prius Limited opened and that the Camry XLE didn't have that fabric on the dash. Not sure which I'd choose, but both are compelling when a year ago neither was. I am also intrigued by the upcoming Crown Signia, dumb name notwithstanding. Toyota is on a little bit of a roll, which they paid the same attention to Lexus.
06-03-24, 02:31 PM
#19
Lexus Fanatic
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new gen interior massively improved. throttle house says the previous gen looked dated when it was launched. 
06-03-24, 02:37 PM
#20
Lexus Champion
That is one ugly car.
06-03-24, 03:49 PM
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06-03-24, 04:12 PM
#22
Lexus Fanatic
Wow, that’s crazy!
06-03-24, 05:34 PM
#25
Lexus Fanatic
I’ve seen several new Tacos
06-03-24, 07:25 PM
#26
Lexus Champion
Quite a few new Tacomas around me. They look really good!
06-03-24, 11:46 PM
#27
Lexus Test Driver
My take on the new Camry:
I applaud the brand for making hybrid standard, but you are paying for it out of the gate. Few headlines or reviewers are pointing out the increased starting prices. Also, we have hardly gained anything (or anything at all) with mpg's compared to the last model. That's disappointing.
I've warmed up to the new styling, although I feel the XSE's body-colored grill looks like a vacuum cleaner or electric shaver. Actually think the LE and XLE's front is more attractive.
Note, the previous model SE came with body-colored front and rear bumper/aero trim. No longer the case now. Cheap-looking unpainted black pieces.
Rear SE and XSE valance was sportier on the previous model. Went backwards there. Also lost the quad (fake) tailpipe tips on the new one.
Glad they got rid of the black, vertical "gash" that was on the rear fender of the last model. That was a blemish I could never look passed.
Would it actually cost Toyota more to include the dual meter gauge cluster in the LE and SE? Or is it just a marketing ploy to force people into more expensive models?
The white stripe on the black sport interior is weird and weak. It looks like someone painted it on the seats.
LE and XLE need a beige interior option.
My biggest gripe is the exterior color selection. Last year we had the nifty "Ice Edge"- a dirty white that took on many different tones depending on light. Also had Cavalry Blue, which was a blue-gray. Both are gone and both were appropriately trendy for today's sporty sedans. The replacement is drab "Underground," which is a rare, non-metallic, gloss, dark gray. Looks lifeless, but maybe they will start a new trend with it. The new Ocean Gem (blue-green) is a tone from the 90's/2000's that no one is really doing anymore. Again, maybe Toyota is starting something...
I applaud the brand for making hybrid standard, but you are paying for it out of the gate. Few headlines or reviewers are pointing out the increased starting prices. Also, we have hardly gained anything (or anything at all) with mpg's compared to the last model. That's disappointing.
I've warmed up to the new styling, although I feel the XSE's body-colored grill looks like a vacuum cleaner or electric shaver. Actually think the LE and XLE's front is more attractive.
Note, the previous model SE came with body-colored front and rear bumper/aero trim. No longer the case now. Cheap-looking unpainted black pieces.
Rear SE and XSE valance was sportier on the previous model. Went backwards there. Also lost the quad (fake) tailpipe tips on the new one.
Glad they got rid of the black, vertical "gash" that was on the rear fender of the last model. That was a blemish I could never look passed.
Would it actually cost Toyota more to include the dual meter gauge cluster in the LE and SE? Or is it just a marketing ploy to force people into more expensive models?
The white stripe on the black sport interior is weird and weak. It looks like someone painted it on the seats.
LE and XLE need a beige interior option.
My biggest gripe is the exterior color selection. Last year we had the nifty "Ice Edge"- a dirty white that took on many different tones depending on light. Also had Cavalry Blue, which was a blue-gray. Both are gone and both were appropriately trendy for today's sporty sedans. The replacement is drab "Underground," which is a rare, non-metallic, gloss, dark gray. Looks lifeless, but maybe they will start a new trend with it. The new Ocean Gem (blue-green) is a tone from the 90's/2000's that no one is really doing anymore. Again, maybe Toyota is starting something...
06-04-24, 05:38 AM
#28
Super Moderator
My take on the new Camry:
I applaud the brand for making hybrid standard, but you are paying for it out of the gate. Few headlines or reviewers are pointing out the increased starting prices. Also, we have hardly gained anything (or anything at all) with mpg's compared to the last model. That's disappointing.
I applaud the brand for making hybrid standard, but you are paying for it out of the gate. Few headlines or reviewers are pointing out the increased starting prices. Also, we have hardly gained anything (or anything at all) with mpg's compared to the last model. That's disappointing.
06-04-24, 06:09 AM
#29
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
nice.
06-04-24, 07:54 AM
#30
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Yep....I've always liked Teal. It was a shame that most companies dropped it. Buick is doing an Aquamarine Blue Metallic for the 2025 Encore GX and Envista, but only for the ST trim-levels....but it is more of a blue than a true blue-green.