Toyota cheats - again
06-09-24, 05:51 AM
#48
Super Moderator
It is absolutely not. The AJ126 V6 in the Velar is a Jaguar AJ133 V8 with two cylinders lopped off. The AJ-V8 was developed prior to Ford's purchase of JLR, and development has continued. Even under Ford's ownership, they were built in a dedicated factory staffed by Jaguar workers. The current one is Gen III, and it is built in Wolverhampton.
06-09-24, 06:17 AM
#49
Lexus Fanatic
Toyota as a company is just nothing like they once were. No longer driven by a desire to build the best car and do it right where shame of failure or mistake was so personal to their leaders and workers. Really a shame.
Toyota of old, people would kill themselves over this kind of shame...
All their offerings don't have to be EVs, but they are woefully behind in the EV field and it was a huge blunder on their part. EVs are a growing and growing segment and like it or not will become dominant, and Toyota sitting on the sidelines there is a big mistake.
I see a lot of Toyota/Lexus EVs around despite how poor an offering they are which shows you there is a lot of demand there,
Except that isn't the case, carmakers are able to meet these regulations, Toyota just wanted to do it the cheap and easy way and that was to cheat and be dishonest. They absolutely can meet these regulations it just takes money to do so.
You don't blame the law when people break it. You don't blame the test when people cheat. Thats letting cheaters off the hook.
This again makes no sense. Debt in a large company is not a bad thing necessarily, but its also not a good thing. When you have to pay your bills with debt, thats bad...unless you are using that capital to invest in something that will drive revenue and allow you to repay the debt and pay more bills.
Just like a person or a family, companies don't use debt to pay their operating expenses unless there is an issue.
Not true on any level.
Toyota of old, people would kill themselves over this kind of shame...
Can't use that as an excuse. BEVs just aren't a feasible option for many buyers and potential buyers.....they live in condos/apartments, and/or don't have easy-access to recharging outlets. For them, hybrids are the most sensible option....and Toyota does offer a number of hybrids, across the globe.
I see a lot of Toyota/Lexus EVs around despite how poor an offering they are which shows you there is a lot of demand there,
There was a discussion about this in another recent thread. The more heavily that auto manufacturers are regulated, especially to extreme or unreasonable levels, and the more demands are placed upon them, the more likely you are going to see either cheating or looking for ways to find loopholes. That is the case, not just with with Toyota (or VW with Dieselgate), but with virtually any automaker.
You don't blame the law when people break it. You don't blame the test when people cheat. Thats letting cheaters off the hook.
Of course they are going to have a lot of debt. They are the world's largest automaker. More business means more bills to pay......the world doesn't revolve around free-lunches.
Just like a person or a family, companies don't use debt to pay their operating expenses unless there is an issue.
Not true on any level.
06-09-24, 10:19 AM
#50
Lexus Champion
Toyota as a company is just nothing like they once were. No longer driven by a desire to build the best car and do it right where shame of failure or mistake was so personal to their leaders and workers. Really a shame.
Toyota of old, people would kill themselves over this kind of shame...
All their offerings don't have to be EVs, but they are woefully behind in the EV field and it was a huge blunder on their part. EVs are a growing and growing segment and like it or not will become dominant, and Toyota sitting on the sidelines there is a big mistake.
I see a lot of Toyota/Lexus EVs around despite how poor an offering they are which shows you there is a lot of demand there,
Except that isn't the case, carmakers are able to meet these regulations, Toyota just wanted to do it the cheap and easy way and that was to cheat and be dishonest. They absolutely can meet these regulations it just takes money to do so.
You don't blame the law when people break it. You don't blame the test when people cheat. Thats letting cheaters off the hook.
This again makes no sense. Debt in a large company is not a bad thing necessarily, but its also not a good thing. When you have to pay your bills with debt, thats bad...unless you are using that capital to invest in something that will drive revenue and allow you to repay the debt and pay more bills.
Just like a person or a family, companies don't use debt to pay their operating expenses unless there is an issue.
Not true on any level.
Toyota of old, people would kill themselves over this kind of shame...
All their offerings don't have to be EVs, but they are woefully behind in the EV field and it was a huge blunder on their part. EVs are a growing and growing segment and like it or not will become dominant, and Toyota sitting on the sidelines there is a big mistake.
I see a lot of Toyota/Lexus EVs around despite how poor an offering they are which shows you there is a lot of demand there,
Except that isn't the case, carmakers are able to meet these regulations, Toyota just wanted to do it the cheap and easy way and that was to cheat and be dishonest. They absolutely can meet these regulations it just takes money to do so.
You don't blame the law when people break it. You don't blame the test when people cheat. Thats letting cheaters off the hook.
This again makes no sense. Debt in a large company is not a bad thing necessarily, but its also not a good thing. When you have to pay your bills with debt, thats bad...unless you are using that capital to invest in something that will drive revenue and allow you to repay the debt and pay more bills.
Just like a person or a family, companies don't use debt to pay their operating expenses unless there is an issue.
Not true on any level.
06-09-24, 11:04 AM
#51
Lexus Champion
It is absolutely not. The AJ126 V6 in the Velar is a Jaguar AJ133 V8 with two cylinders lopped off. The AJ-V8 was developed prior to Ford's purchase of JLR, and development has continued. Even under Ford's ownership, they were built in a dedicated factory staffed by Jaguar workers. The current one is Gen III, and it is built in Wolverhampton.
06-09-24, 11:09 AM
#52
It is absolutely not. The AJ126 V6 in the Velar is a Jaguar AJ133 V8 with two cylinders lopped off. The AJ-V8 was developed prior to Ford's purchase of JLR, and development has continued. Even under Ford's ownership, they were built in a dedicated factory staffed by Jaguar workers. The current one is Gen III, and it is built in Wolverhampton.
06-09-24, 01:37 PM
#54
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
funny, you were praising factory supercharged ford mustang gt offering in another thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...l#post11732409
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...l#post11732409
06-09-24, 01:41 PM
#55
Lexus Champion
funny, you were praising factory supercharged ford mustang gt offering in another thread.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...l#post11732409
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/car...l#post11732409
I like the rover V8 quite a lot since it's based on the ford modular and comes with a super by default. Half the parts on one are stamped ford after all.....
If you get a rover buy a full Range Rover or an SV, the top velar is fine but you almost never see them and most of them are base models. I also strongly dislike the supercharged AJ6 since it's peak lazy and half assed to use a blanked off V8 block and not even cut the block smaller. It also has many issues the V8 simply doesn't have like the balance shaft. Mostly though because anything that has that engine could have had the V8 instead
06-09-24, 02:12 PM
#56
Lexus Fanatic
If you get a rover buy a full Range Rover or an SV, the top velar is fine but you almost never see them and most of them are base models. I also strongly dislike the supercharged AJ6 since it's peak lazy and half assed to use a blanked off V8 block and not even cut the block smaller. It also has many issues the V8 simply doesn't have like the balance shaft. Mostly though because anything that has that engine could have had the V8 instead
Few people who buy a Velar choose to do that over buying a full RR or an SV lol.
Not everybody has limitless money.
06-09-24, 02:25 PM
#57
Lexus Champion
You yourself said as much when it comes to the entry level cars from Mercedes that mainstream brands for the same money offer a better overall product
Thats all I'm getting at, if you are spending money get the best thing you can not something for the badge
06-09-24, 03:22 PM
#58
Lexus Fanatic
Oh yeah I'm very aware, that's why the cheaper models exist but that those lower prices it's oftentimes better to get a more mainstream brand.
You yourself said as much when it comes to the entry level cars from Mercedes that mainstream brands for the same money offer a better overall product
Thats all I'm getting at, if you are spending money get the best thing you can not something for the badge
You yourself said as much when it comes to the entry level cars from Mercedes that mainstream brands for the same money offer a better overall product
Thats all I'm getting at, if you are spending money get the best thing you can not something for the badge
The only Mercedes I feel that way about are the FWD models