Ah so already DOA then lol

 

Ofcourse I would prefer NA but its not realistic to make that type of power.
Turbos are much less complex than dealing with hybrid batteries and all the additional programming that entails.

I have zero desire for hybrid cars and they have not done well in the market.
These things out of warranty will be a disaster to service/repair and cost will be astronomical. Ferrari SF90 are depreciating faster than comparable models from the past and Ferrari gives you 7 YEARS of free service.

 

I'll believe it when I see it...

 

That is a very strong "it depends" but generally the pure engines have higher headroom anyway so down the road they are more desired. You also totally can get 600hp out of an NA engine but Lexus isn't willing to do that

 

Yes, that's their new GT3 car but in order for them to race it, the car needs to be based off a production car so I can't wait to see the neutered down street version.

 

as much as i'd love to get excited i'm also still in 'i'll believe it when i see it' phase considering the past few years of toyota

 

The same applied to the GR Super Sport but we've yet to see that make it to mass production as already pointed out.

 

Putting a Toyota hybrid in the same bread basket as Ferrari, not so fast.
My NSX is 71/2 years old and with twin turbos and the hybrid and all is well, Toyota is the King of Hybrids so no concern there.
Back to Ferrari, the SF90 and 296 have electronic problems and the market is speaking on the SF90, the 296 is doing fine in the secondary market.
Ferrari provides that maintenance to support used car values (well maintained is better than not) and since they are the primary market maker for their used cars, win win for them.

 

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Ok eventually your batteries will need to be replaced so good luck with that.

I see no benefit in hybrids for performance cars.

To me - I value engagement, design, sound, driving inputs, seating position over marginal improvements in performance using hybrid system that makes the vehicle heavier and much more complex to modify/service 5 to 10years into ownership.

For your NSX - would a dealer even know how to service the hybrid battery if there was an issue, probably not.

We shall see how the new 911 GTS will pan out. I predict MANY issues for early adopters.

 

If this is true, I for one applaud Lexus for being bold and going against the grain. I could care less if the V8 is old school and doesn't compete with more modern/faster engines --- if I wanted the fastest car, I'd buy an electric. I want a car that gives me a raw driving experience but with modern infotainment

 

Good lord enough with the batteries. Hybrids have been running around for 20 years and batteries last hundreds of thousands of miles.

 

Hybrids do offer the advantage of torque fill. It's also nice to have flexibility to drive on full electric in the rare occasion when there's a gas shortage. For example, after a hurricane, sometimes there's a fuel shortage --- having the flexibility to drive on pure electric is better than not being able to drive at all. Vice versa, if there's a power outage for whatever reason, you can use gas to get around (assuming the pumps still work).

 

I don’t mind hybrids for daily commuters like RAV4, Prius etc.
But on performance cars, they are used to meet dumb regulations while adding performance by eliminating turbo lag or flattening torque curve. It’s just unnecessary as these cars are WAY more capable than any non pro driver will be able to push them especially on the street.

The use of the battery is different on performance cars compared to a Prius so nobody knows the life span especially if people drive their cars hard which a Prius driver will never do.

BTW McLaren Artura is another hybrid that is collecting dust while 750S is sold out for next 2 years…..

 

The Artura isn't selling bc it has a V6 that doesn't sound great compared to the V8 750s plus the Artura has been riddled with reliability issues.

Ferrari at least made the 296 sound good

 

No hybrid?? Or electric assist?