Striker223

Do you not know how to launch a car? You bring the converter to stall and build boost, or better yet tune incorporates a flash launch that allows a RPM flare when you smash the gas then on the brake and when you get 3k you just let off the brake

Takes about half a second to do and you get sent off at max TQ

Striker223

Remove the class rules and not a single team would use hybrids. They are simply heavier and less power dense

autozero

The new Vantage definitely looks promising after a year or two of massive depreciation

geko29

I'll watch it again, but I've seen both that and the Engineering Explained video as well as done a fair bit of reading, and if anything my impression is that the engine itself is significantly LESS complex than the one it replaces. The only increased complexity in the engine itself is the motor in between the hot and cold side of the turbo. But a ton of stuff has been simplified or eliminated:

• One turbo vs. two
• One large intercooler vs. two small ones
• No wastegate
• Simplified exhaust
• No starter
• No alternator
• No accessory drive
• Electric AC compressor
• direct-driven mechanical water pump

And the hybrid motor (in the PDK) design is less complex than most hybrids as well. It cannot drive the vehicle on its own, so no PSD is needed. The engine drives the wheels 100% of the time, with the motor optionally adding torque.

703

not just about launch. Nothing to do with what I do or do not know.

These are the simplified typical torque curves on modern sport cars, which one do you think drives better?

RNM GS3

Are you being serious lol
How about the whole complexity of the HYBRID Battery system and its programming.
How about the Water pump, which is notorious issue on 911s, now being inside the Engine!
How about the top of the engine covered in wiring from Hybrid system
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Please read this article:
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2025...-need-to-know/

Is it impressive tech - sure but nothing I want to mess with.
Again its heavier, more complex, way more expensive to maintain and due to regulations the motor on its own makes only 5 more HP than previous ICE only GTS. These will have massive depreciation.

autozero

Porsche is only converting one 911 trim to hybrid out of the 10+ trims that they have (at least for now). It's not meant to be for everyone.

Turbocharging and engine downsizing ruins cars more than hybridization. Example: look at the Porsche 718 Boxster/Cayman move to 4 cylinder. Gross.

Or when the 991.2 C2 moved to turbos and lost the NA symphony. Those are the real culprits of diminished driving experience.

Btw the 992 GT3 saw no hp increase over the 991.2 yet 992 GT3s sells like hotcakes.

That said, luxury OEMs are starting to realize that they've overdone it on appealing to emissions overlords at the expense of what their customers want and they're starting to pull back their plans --- hence why Lexus might actually be doing a V8 supercar afterall

RNM GS3

All 911s will be hybrid besides base and GT cars as per sources that predicted the launch cars details months ago.
The will also be a “base” Turbo model that is RWD and manual to separate from the Turbo S which will be Hybrid. The RWD Turbo will be very hard to get and will have ADMs.

Porsche CEO is an idiot and stock price is taking a beating as Taycan sales are down big and they still have EV Macan and EV Cayman/Boxster on the way. Good luck with that…..

Offering massive discounts is a sure way to ruin brand prestige.

autozero

I basically live on the 992 forums and have an allocation on 992.2 base and the only other trim rumored to be hybrid is possibly the S and maybe a GT2 and a turbo trim. Never heard of the GT cars or a T or anything of that sort going hybrid. Other than the unproven reliability of the hybrid which is true of most new cars, the hybrid adds very little weight. Not saying I'm a fan of the hybrid but it's just not THAT bad and honestly the torque fill is a huge benefit.

The EV Cayman/Boxster on the other hand is an awful decision.

My order of most desirable to least desirable:
NA > hybrid NA > turbo > turbo hybrid > EVs

Margate330

I've thought about this a lot.

If I could afford a super car my order would be
Big Ice > ice with turbo
Or
EV

Nothing in the middle for me.
Only reason why is because I care less about the "Numbers" and more about being pure.

If that makes any sense. 🤓

RNM GS3

I’m active on Rennlist - there are many threads on this topic there.
S, GTS, Turbo S = hybrid
Base, Base Turbo, GT3 = Pure ICE
T will probably be back for last 2years of 992.2 run.

I think the base car is good unless you need a manual. It does lack certain performance options like LSD, rear steering etc. They did finally make larger brakes standard.

Personally I’m only interested in the T, RWD Turbo and GT3. The latter 2 will be impossible to get without significant ADM unfortunately.

autozero

I find all that extra tech like RAS, PTV, PDCC, dynamic steering, etc to be more intrusive and numbing to the driving experience than hybridization.

I turn all those things off in my LC and it makes a huge improvement in the feel of the car. I don't want to feel like I'm driving a video game.

autozero

One can either look at hybrids as the best of both worlds or the worst of both worlds. "To each their own..."

LexusForever

How am I charging my electric car?

Margate330

Yes sir, I was just thinking in the context of super cars.

For regular around town driving, hybrid might be ok.
But not for a super car, at least for me. 🤓