Lexus to launch V8 supercar with up to 600bhp
06-19-24, 02:42 PM
#61
Lexus Fanatic
All 911s will be hybrid besides base and GT cars as per sources that predicted the launch cars details months ago.
The will also be a “base” Turbo model that is RWD and manual to separate from the Turbo S which will be Hybrid. The RWD Turbo will be very hard to get and will have ADMs.
Porsche CEO is an idiot and stock price is taking a beating as Taycan sales are down big and they still have EV Macan and EV Cayman/Boxster on the way. Good luck with that…..
Offering massive discounts is a sure way to ruin brand prestige.
The will also be a “base” Turbo model that is RWD and manual to separate from the Turbo S which will be Hybrid. The RWD Turbo will be very hard to get and will have ADMs.
Porsche CEO is an idiot and stock price is taking a beating as Taycan sales are down big and they still have EV Macan and EV Cayman/Boxster on the way. Good luck with that…..
Offering massive discounts is a sure way to ruin brand prestige.
06-19-24, 02:57 PM
#62
06-19-24, 07:27 PM
#64
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
Porsche investors are telling the CEO he is wrong.
Maybe you should do some research before commenting and making personal attacks.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true
Ingo Speich of investment firm Deka Investment said: "The excitement from [Porsche's] initial public offering (IPO) has faded. Deliveries of Porsche's flagship Taycan electric car almost halved in the first quarter, and "consumers are more likely to boycott it than buy it."
Blume will defend its plans to renew Porsche's five product lines (out of six) within a year, saying the extra spending will pay off in the future, and much will depend on whether the new electric Macan (deliveries will begin in the second half of the year) is as popular as the internal combustion engine version, which sold more Porsche models except the Cayenne last year.
Porsche plans to launch electric versions of the 718 Boxster and Cayman around 2025, followed by an electric Cayenne model. The company aims to sell more than 80% of its total sales by 2030 with all-electric models.
Moritz Kronenberger of asset manager Union Investment said Porsche should launch EV products based on market demand, adding that selling more ICE models would improve margins and free cash flow until EV demand picks up again.
However, Deka's Speich was skeptical of EV demand and urged Blume to accept lower sales and avoid price cuts so as not to damage the brand. Daniel Schwarz, an analyst at Stifel Investment Bank, believes that the Taycan depreciates faster than the 911 sports car, which could deter buyers.
Blume will defend its plans to renew Porsche's five product lines (out of six) within a year, saying the extra spending will pay off in the future, and much will depend on whether the new electric Macan (deliveries will begin in the second half of the year) is as popular as the internal combustion engine version, which sold more Porsche models except the Cayenne last year.
Porsche plans to launch electric versions of the 718 Boxster and Cayman around 2025, followed by an electric Cayenne model. The company aims to sell more than 80% of its total sales by 2030 with all-electric models.
Moritz Kronenberger of asset manager Union Investment said Porsche should launch EV products based on market demand, adding that selling more ICE models would improve margins and free cash flow until EV demand picks up again.
However, Deka's Speich was skeptical of EV demand and urged Blume to accept lower sales and avoid price cuts so as not to damage the brand. Daniel Schwarz, an analyst at Stifel Investment Bank, believes that the Taycan depreciates faster than the 911 sports car, which could deter buyers.
06-19-24, 07:34 PM
#65
Lexus Test Driver
Thread Starter
I find all that extra tech like RAS, PTV, PDCC, dynamic steering, etc to be more intrusive and numbing to the driving experience than hybridization.
I turn all those things off in my LC and it makes a huge improvement in the feel of the car. I don't want to feel like I'm driving a video game.
I turn all those things off in my LC and it makes a huge improvement in the feel of the car. I don't want to feel like I'm driving a video game.
I had it on my 911 T.
06-19-24, 07:40 PM
#66
Lexus Test Driver
06-19-24, 09:09 PM
#67
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I find all that extra tech like RAS, PTV, PDCC, dynamic steering, etc to be more intrusive and numbing to the driving experience than hybridization.
I turn all those things off in my LC and it makes a huge improvement in the feel of the car. I don't want to feel like I'm driving a video game.
I turn all those things off in my LC and it makes a huge improvement in the feel of the car. I don't want to feel like I'm driving a video game.
06-19-24, 09:28 PM
#68
I just don't think the 911 needs these bc it's already very nimble
Last edited by autozero; 06-20-24 at 03:18 AM.
06-20-24, 04:18 AM
#69
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06-20-24, 05:01 AM
#70
RAS = rear axle steering. It's a lot more noticeable on the 911 than the LC
PTV = porsche torque vectoring
PDCC = Porsche dynamic chassis control. Anti-roll bar stabilization
Power steering plus = changing the steering ratio at different speeds
Lexus has many of these same systems at least in the LC. The net effect is a car that is more capable but also more numb and detached from the driver's senses. If you're not an expert in car dynamics or have a good sense of how a car moves around based on your inputs, then you'll likely appreciate all these systems. However, if you are, then you'll find them unnatural as there's a delta between your inputs and the car's outputs --- there's a computer that's making decisions on the car's response vs. your input. The best analogy I can give is auto blip on a manual transmission. If you're an expert in heel-toe downshifts and are accustomed to blipping the throttle on downshifts yourself, then auto-blip takes some getting used to. However, if you're not good at heel-toe, then auto-blip is a welcomed edition. Come to think of it, an even better analogy would be an having an automatic transmission that decides when to upshift vs having a transmission that doesn't automatically upshift and will bounce off redline. Sometimes you just want to do what a computer might say is not logical.
That's not to say one is better than the other --- just a matter of preference.
PTV = porsche torque vectoring
PDCC = Porsche dynamic chassis control. Anti-roll bar stabilization
Power steering plus = changing the steering ratio at different speeds
Lexus has many of these same systems at least in the LC. The net effect is a car that is more capable but also more numb and detached from the driver's senses. If you're not an expert in car dynamics or have a good sense of how a car moves around based on your inputs, then you'll likely appreciate all these systems. However, if you are, then you'll find them unnatural as there's a delta between your inputs and the car's outputs --- there's a computer that's making decisions on the car's response vs. your input. The best analogy I can give is auto blip on a manual transmission. If you're an expert in heel-toe downshifts and are accustomed to blipping the throttle on downshifts yourself, then auto-blip takes some getting used to. However, if you're not good at heel-toe, then auto-blip is a welcomed edition. Come to think of it, an even better analogy would be an having an automatic transmission that decides when to upshift vs having a transmission that doesn't automatically upshift and will bounce off redline. Sometimes you just want to do what a computer might say is not logical.
That's not to say one is better than the other --- just a matter of preference.
Last edited by autozero; 06-20-24 at 05:05 AM.
06-20-24, 05:17 AM
#71
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thanks autozero. those kinds of features make performance cars more usable by less skilled drivers, which to me is a great thing. sounds like you're much more capable and prefer those kinds of things turned off for a more 'pure' or raw experience. not me, i'll take all the help i can get. 
06-20-24, 05:22 AM
#72
thanks autozero. those kinds of features make performance cars more usable by less skilled drivers, which to me is a great thing. sounds like you're much more capable and prefer those kinds of things turned off for a more 'pure' or raw experience. not me, i'll take all the help i can get.
06-20-24, 05:38 AM
#73
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I guess the theory is that computers are safer than humans...to what extent humans are eliminated from driving input altogether...we'll see
06-20-24, 08:18 AM
#75
Lexus Fanatic