So Three-Cylinder Engines are Dogs, are They?
07-07-24, 03:58 PM
#121
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Typically 40-45, sometimes 50. I can't fully explain it either. Either the EPA did not do their highway test properly, or they did it under much different conditions than I had on I-95 and 66. Or the trip/fuel-computer is not reading properly, except that my brother got more or less similar results with his Seltos (40-45), considering it has a slightly larger engine.
07-07-24, 04:08 PM
#122
Lexus Fanatic
So now it’s 40-45 not 50 lol.
You clearly mean 30-35, even that would be a stretch.
Sorry Mike, it doesn’t get double the EPA estimated mileage in your hands lol. My cars always beat the EPA estimates too…by 10%…15%…20%…not 80%. I think you’re probably looking at the instant economy and you see 45 and 50 when it’s under very light load but it’s not actually averaging anything close to that.
You clearly mean 30-35, even that would be a stretch.
Sorry Mike, it doesn’t get double the EPA estimated mileage in your hands lol. My cars always beat the EPA estimates too…by 10%…15%…20%…not 80%. I think you’re probably looking at the instant economy and you see 45 and 50 when it’s under very light load but it’s not actually averaging anything close to that.
Last edited by SW17LS; 07-07-24 at 04:12 PM.
07-07-24, 04:43 PM
#123
Lexus Test Driver
So now it’s 40-45 not 50 lol.
You clearly mean 30-35, even that would be a stretch.
Sorry Mike, it doesn’t get double the EPA estimated mileage in your hands lol. My cars always beat the EPA estimates too…by 10%…15%…20%…not 80%. I think you’re probably looking at the instant economy and you see 45 and 50 when it’s under very light load but it’s not actually averaging anything close to that.
You clearly mean 30-35, even that would be a stretch.
Sorry Mike, it doesn’t get double the EPA estimated mileage in your hands lol. My cars always beat the EPA estimates too…by 10%…15%…20%…not 80%. I think you’re probably looking at the instant economy and you see 45 and 50 when it’s under very light load but it’s not actually averaging anything close to that.
07-07-24, 05:16 PM
#124
Lexus Champion
No lol! My old TDI is gonna be my daily back and forth car, my wife uses the LS or SUV depending on what she needs or if I need to haul something. The Audis are driven whenever and wherever I'm not working or after I'm home from work....and sometimes if I have a day not involving a lot of dirt. It's hard not to drive them
07-07-24, 05:45 PM
#125
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
40-45 on slight hilly Interstates.....50 or so on flat level stretches.
No, I do NOT mean 30-35. I meant exactly what I said.
OK, you're always chiding me for telling you things that you say you know....you are doing exactly the same thing with me. I know the difference between the instant-MPG meter and trip/accumulated MPG.
There's only way you are going to see for yourself...I'll have to take a camera-shot of the gauges myself and post it. I'll do that the next time I'm on I-95.
You clearly mean 30-35, even that would be a stretch.
Sorry Mike, it doesn’t get double the EPA estimated mileage in your hands lol. My cars always beat the EPA estimates too…by 10%…15%…20%…not 80%. I think you’re probably looking at the instant economy and you see 45 and 50 when it’s under very light load but it’s not actually averaging anything close to that.
There's only way you are going to see for yourself...I'll have to take a camera-shot of the gauges myself and post it. I'll do that the next time I'm on I-95.
07-07-24, 06:06 PM
#126
Lexus Fanatic
Yeah no. No way you’re getting 50 MPG sustained in an Encore GX.
Im sure you can get the gauge to read 50, but not after 100 miles of driving on the highway. You’re resetting the fuel economy measure and reading it before it has enough data to actually make an average. No car overperforms its EPA estimates by 80%.
I can get my car to say it’s getting 38 MPG on the highway the same way. It doesn’t get 38.
Im sure you can get the gauge to read 50, but not after 100 miles of driving on the highway. You’re resetting the fuel economy measure and reading it before it has enough data to actually make an average. No car overperforms its EPA estimates by 80%.
I can get my car to say it’s getting 38 MPG on the highway the same way. It doesn’t get 38.
07-07-24, 06:08 PM
#127
Lexus Fanatic
Thread Starter
Yeah no. No way you’re getting 50 MPG sustained in an Encore GX.
Im sure you can get the gauge to read 50, but not after 100 miles of driving on the highway. You’re resetting the fuel economy measure and reading it before it has enough data to actually make an average.
I can get my car to say it’s getting 38 MPG on the highway the same way. It doesn’t get 38.
Im sure you can get the gauge to read 50, but not after 100 miles of driving on the highway. You’re resetting the fuel economy measure and reading it before it has enough data to actually make an average.
I can get my car to say it’s getting 38 MPG on the highway the same way. It doesn’t get 38.
Like I said, I'll post it myself. No need to keep arguing here.
07-07-24, 06:34 PM
#128
Lexus Fanatic
Typically 40-45, sometimes 50. I can't fully explain it either. Either the EPA did not do their highway test properly, or they did it under much different conditions than I had on I-95 and 66. Or the trip/fuel-computer is not reading properly, except that my brother got more or less similar results with his Seltos (40-45), considering it has a slightly larger engine.
Last edited by Toys4RJill; 07-07-24 at 06:38 PM.
07-07-24, 08:20 PM
#129
Lexus Champion
There is no way in hell you can get 40 in a 4Runner, the best I have ever gotten in any of my cars was 32.3 in the LS460 on a 600 mile trip. There is zero change an SUV with totally inferior MPG related optimizations can somehow beat a car like that.
07-08-24, 01:13 AM
#133
Lead Lap
these are from drives i've made in a corolla le and standard prius (both from around 2016)... the mpg number in the corolla is from roughly 10 straight minutes on the highway after already getting up to about 60 mph, and the prius was an entire 28 mile journey from start to finish including local and highway driving
the windows were up and the a/c off for both drives so i was basically miserable the whole time haha, real world practical numbers wouldn't be this good but it can be done... after that prius drive especially i was exhausted, getting seriously good mpgs is very hard work
07-08-24, 04:59 AM
#135
Lead Lap
well i just wanna say i do believe you mike, i'm pretty good at hypermiling when i want to be and i've well exceeded the official mpg estimates by a significant amount on a multitude of cars... however to truly get the best possible mpgs it generally involves either: completely holding everyone up with painfully slow acceleration and speeds, and/or avoiding touching the brake pedal by ANY means necessary
these are from drives i've made in a corolla le and standard prius (both from around 2016)... the mpg number in the corolla is from roughly 10 straight minutes on the highway after already getting up to about 60 mph, and the prius was an entire 28 mile journey from start to finish including local and highway driving.
the windows were up and the a/c off for both drives so i was basically miserable the whole time haha, real world practical numbers wouldn't be this good but it can be done... after that prius drive especially i was exhausted, getting seriously good mpgs is very hard work
these are from drives i've made in a corolla le and standard prius (both from around 2016)... the mpg number in the corolla is from roughly 10 straight minutes on the highway after already getting up to about 60 mph, and the prius was an entire 28 mile journey from start to finish including local and highway driving.
the windows were up and the a/c off for both drives so i was basically miserable the whole time haha, real world practical numbers wouldn't be this good but it can be done... after that prius drive especially i was exhausted, getting seriously good mpgs is very hard work
So in your case or Mike’s case would you be ok with EPA setting the mpg that way? I would bet most people wouldn’t.