Should the Design of Automatic Transmission-Shifters in New Vehicles be Standardized?
07-02-24, 06:14 AM
#76
Lexus Fanatic
it's also been stated here how the yelchin tragedy could have easily been handled by the car going into park automatically when the door was opened, which doesn't require a different shifter.
07-02-24, 07:01 AM
#77
the shifter always stays in the same spot and to go from park to either reverse or drive you have to pull the shifter LEFT then up or down respectively. thankfully i don't have to put it in neutral ever because off the top of my head, i've no idea how.
for park there's a separate 'P' button.and to put it in neutral you push over to the LEFT and let go. That’s it.
07-02-24, 07:45 AM
#78
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07-02-24, 08:05 AM
#79
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The shifter was terrible outside of that incident...
your s-class uses a stalk, right? pull down for drive, push up for reverse, and button on end for park, i think?
but doesn't bother me at all, i love how 'clean' the small lc shifter is and that it's always in the same spot. i like the NX implementation which is an even smaller nub of a shifter.
and to put it in neutral you push over to the LEFT and let go. That’s it.
07-02-24, 08:20 AM
#80
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Fun easter egg with this shifter: If you have it tipped over to the right for manual mode, and you either push the P button or open the door, in addition to park being engaged the shifter tips itself back upright to the monostable position.
07-02-24, 08:31 AM
#81
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07-02-24, 08:52 AM
#82
Lexus Fanatic
Its electronic, it won't do anything.
Just pick a criteria, has to be a physical control, controls must move up to down or left to right and requires a button for Park, something along those lines. Controls that vital need to be intuitive. We have rules that brake lights have to be red, etc.
They did, they eliminated it because it was terrible. Striker has a car with the shifter and he agrees its a poor design.
Yep, all Mercedes do.
Just pick a criteria, has to be a physical control, controls must move up to down or left to right and requires a button for Park, something along those lines. Controls that vital need to be intuitive. We have rules that brake lights have to be red, etc.
and yet apparently audi uses the same design. i think thou doth protest too much. one guy, who happened to be famous, does something very dumb, in a rush, and so the shifter is 'terrible' when as we've seen, the fix was trivial without eliminating it.
your s-class uses a stalk, right? pull down for drive, push up for reverse, and button on end for park, i think?
Last edited by SW17LS; 07-02-24 at 08:56 AM.
07-02-24, 08:53 AM
#83
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Thread Starter
Originally Posted by SW17LS
There can absolutely be standard requirements for how a control operates, we have these requirements many other places in cars. Lighting requirements, etc
Although this might not be the case with other opinions here, I personally think that the standard PRNDL sequence left-to-right (on a column-shifter), or front to back (on a console shifter) served the industry well for decades, and there is no reason to mess with it or to divert into new patterns and shift-devices. Call me Old-School if you want (I've been called that before LOL)......but more than a half-century of successful driving has convinced me of that. I also feel that the most easy-to-use and foolproof shifter ever done is the simple fore-aft console-lever without zig-zags...and perhaps with a little firmer detent from D to L to prevent overshooting D when pulling the lever back.
I also like the way Toyota and Lexus used to color-code orange for Reverse and green for Neutral.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-02-24 at 08:58 AM.
07-02-24, 09:14 AM
#84
07-02-24, 11:56 AM
#85
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Thread Starter
Count me in on that 2%. I ALWAYS use it.
And the proper way to use it is before you place the transmission in park, because, if you use the Park function first, and then engage the brake afterward, it can, in some instances, particularly on an incline, place added stress on the parking-prawl inside the transmission.
And the proper way to use it is before you place the transmission in park, because, if you use the Park function first, and then engage the brake afterward, it can, in some instances, particularly on an incline, place added stress on the parking-prawl inside the transmission.
Last edited by mmarshall; 07-02-24 at 12:01 PM.
07-02-24, 12:02 PM
#86
Lexus Champion
Count me in on that 2%. I ALWAYS use it.
And the proper way to use it is before you place the transmission in park, because, if you use the Park function, and then engage the brake afterward, it can, in some instances, particularly on an incline, place added stress on the parking-prawl inside the transmission.
And the proper way to use it is before you place the transmission in park, because, if you use the Park function, and then engage the brake afterward, it can, in some instances, particularly on an incline, place added stress on the parking-prawl inside the transmission.
07-02-24, 12:30 PM
#87
07-02-24, 12:58 PM
#88
Lexus Champion
He asked "what is that" and I explained the prawl etc and afterwords he started using the parking brake as he really didn't like seeing how much the car could still move around. However he CONSTANTLY complained since god forbid you have 1 more step to get the car moving/parked lol!
Last edited by Striker223; 07-02-24 at 01:02 PM.
07-02-24, 02:29 PM
#89
Lexus Test Driver
I use my truck's parking brake in my driveway because it's on an incline. If I put it in park and let off the regular brake before engaging the parking brake, it might roll forward about an inch or two before stopping against the parking prawl. The issue is that my driveway doesn't have that kind of extra space and I'll get a parking ticket for sticking out onto the sidewalk.
07-02-24, 02:57 PM
#90
Lexus Fanatic
I use my truck's parking brake in my driveway because it's on an incline. If I put it in park and let off the regular brake before engaging the parking brake, it might roll forward about an inch or two before stopping against the parking prawl. The issue is that my driveway doesn't have that kind of extra space and I'll get a parking ticket for sticking out onto the sidewalk.
The parking pawl is not designed to hold the car on its own. You should set the parking brake, then let off the service brake so the parking brake holds the load of the car.