Striker223

Yes positioning is critical, room correction software tries to do the same but nothing beats just having a room that revolves around the speakers and you are free to manipulate everything in it to get the desired effect. Lots of people have movable stands with absorbent materials so you can adjust stuff for different music and tape marks on the ground to manipulate stuff further.

Is there someone near you who has VSA ultra series speakers? IF you do I recommend you listen, they do the scene recreation thing insanely well/it's their design goal. I always chase an end sound so I don't really care what brand things are etc but certain speakers concentrate on different things, ESLs are a great example of focusing on response and image while still being in the cheap sub 10k range.

swajames

I've not had the opportunity to listen to any VSA speakers - will try to check them out. I don't think my friend sells them, but will check. Thanks for the tip! And yes, good electrostatics can be very special.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

i don't consider myself an audiophile, but wouldn't dolby atmos (and up/down firing speakers) be relevant to soundstage and where the sound appears to be coming from? (object based audio)

ha, i just came across this great quote:"Audiophiles don't use their equipment to listen to your music - they use your music to listen to their equipment."
- Alan Parsons

enjoy this guy (brit) and his videos too

swajames

Yes, Atmos is absolutely relevant to the soundstage discussion but to work properly it requires multiple speakers and/or speakers with multiple drivers where the drivers can act as individual channels. It also needs specially recorded material or a lot of processing to simulate it from stereo material. Some audio purists don’t like to consider anything beyond two channel to be sufficiently audiophile and think the real goal is to achieve breadth and depth in the stereo domain. The right answer, of course, is to listen to what you like the way you like it!

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

yeah stereo fanatics drive me as nuts as vinyl fanatics.

Striker223

No it doesn't work nearly as well as a real pair of speakers. I have an AVR that has 7.1 for movies etc with the front height speakers and it's laughable vs just the two mains running since the satellite speakers have an extremely hard time meshing and forming a seamless soundscape, you can easily hear the "bumps and gaps" near where they are and it ruins all perception of depth and accuracy of a scene recreation. It's just way too hard to get them to mesh vs a a pair of $50k speakers that are meshed/setup from the get go

Striker223

Vinyl is weird, one the one hand it's "pure" but on the other since it's true analogue it's an endless chase for little return etc etc. I have no interest in it since in order to beat lossless files it's insanely hard since you would need both a physical record better than the files and a player than can actually read it well enough and that's unlikely to happen when compared to the recording equipment used if the song in question was even halfway correctly recorded. But I guess when you have endless money a 150K record player makes sense?

mmarshall

I think we're getting off topic with audios.

Toys4RJill

Crappy Hyundai has got something for ya. $19,900

mmarshall

I haven't test-driven a Venue, and I can't guarantee that it won't have any engine problems. But, on looking at a couple of them in the showroom, they seem to be extremely well-built, with solid but simple and durable materials inside and out, and a surprisingly good "Thunk" and feel to the door-closings....particularly for the low price. It reminds me very much of what the first Toyota Corollas were like in the 1970s. This, in contrast to the generally loosening up of material-quality in some other recent Hyundai'Kia products, as the bean counters apply.

Toys4RJill

122HP I4 is pretty pathetic. But at least it’s not a 3 cylinder lol

SW17LS

And it has SNOW MODE! lol

Toys4RJill

If the opportunity presents itself. The automakers will offer it. Toyota still makes the Yaris and they also have a partnership with Mazda where they share the Mazda 2 hybrid or something like that. Right now it makes absolutely no sense to offer it because buyers are willing to pay more for higher priced cars

FrankReynoldsCPA

My first car was a 1989 Pontiac Firebird with an anemic 2.8 V6 from the 80"s and it still had more power than that lol. Only car I've ever owned with less than 240 HP.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

your stereo front speaker pair cost $50k?