Motorola

TBF Quattro Ultra is already in the V6 A6 and A7 and doesn't function like Haldex, it's a predictive system and can still send more power to the rear than the front when cornering and such so in practice it's no different than the standard Torsen Quattro.


The only reason the S5 doesn't have it is because Ultra isn't compatible with the rear sport differential.

Striker223

Yeah, but it shouldn't be that way......S cars used to get the insane options but now it's like "AMG" and "M"

jwong77

Not if its been mentioned on this thread but I heard on the Doug Demiro Podcast that this is meant to replace the A4/S4, as they have decided to use the even numbers to denote that the car is an EV, and use odd numbers for ICE(as mentioned on the podcast).

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

yes, i don't know why car makers use it... it can't be that much cheaper than other options. i guess some consumers fall for the 'shiny stuff'.

maybe you can update your post now that you've actually read the article which contradicts its headline.

all the other usual "sky is falling", "things are worse than in the past" posts noted.

modern cars are amazing.

gor134

I personally love the proportions and design of this new B10 A5/S5. Nice yet subtle flares on the fenders will age better IMO than the current A4 and A5 bodylines. I also love the more traditional roofline as I'm generally not a huge fan of the fastback look. Powerdome hood is a plus.

gor134

In particular, I love the S5 Avant's side view a lot. Great proportions and sleek roofline for a wagon. This lighting shows the surfacing changes in the body lines pretty nicely too.

swajames

I think it looks great! Always loved wagons (or "estates", where I come from), and Audi makes some of the best.

The first new car we ever bought was a 1998 Mercedes C Class wagon.

As am aside, BMW is bringing the M5 wagon to the US for the first time.

gor134

I'm praying we get the S5 Avant in the states.

Yes, I've seen the headlines saying it's not coming to the US. However, I'm still holding out hope for it - Audi can definitely make a niche business case for it here given the S5 Coupe, Cab, and A4 Allroad are gone.

Motorola

At least it looks better than the A6 EV. But it also looks like Audi is following BMW's route of substantially cheapening their interiors in their next generation of products.

gor134

Yeah, unfortunately an industry standard. Both the A5 and the new BMW X3 have fixed panoramic sunroofs that don't open, which I hate. And the dashboard/center console of the new A5 looks cheap, but at least the doors have a nice mix of materials and design.

Don't even get me started on the A6 e-Tron.. my god that thing is atrocious. With the snap of a finger.. the Germans' classy midsize exec sedans all went to ****.. the BMW i5 looks like a Kia, the EQE is a weird blob, and the A6e is bloated and wimpy looking. At least the E-Class ICE has okay proportions, and that upcoming A7 sedan looks decent too.

Motorola

The bloated whale bodies are just inexcusable at this point. I understand that the battery pack is making it more difficult to fit a usable cabin above without looking tall and fat, but Tesla already accomplished this over a decade ago with the Model S. It feels like these vehicles were just rushed to the market (especially the EQ models) to capture the momentum, rather than really sweating the details.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

those a5 / a5 avant all look very 'classic' but no longer 'modern'. yes, a lot of recent 'modern' euro designs have been hideous but going backwards isn't the right move by audi i don't think. and from the front (pic above) that a5 looks more kia than luxury car.

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

really? i had to look it up but it looks good to me, front better than the a5 imo.

Striker223

My god that looked like a sonata on first glance. Horrible

Toys4RJill

I doubt Audi benchmarked the styling of Hyundai.