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i'm 'cursed' in that regard too lol... my first car was the LS, passed down from the grandparents who owned it from new so it was a fairly well kept example too... now even normally 'good' cars are effectively ruined for me! 80% of peak torque not available from 1500 rpm? pass!! i would however take 0 torque until 4500 rpm and then all of a sudden massive torque lol
This is what so many people forget, with all the massively advanced engines and hybrids these days.
Engines can still be hella torquey without turbos. My truck doles out 90% of max torque at 2200 RPM.
I remember reading an LX570 article, it was a legit road test. It mentioned how the 5.7 doesn't need to rev as much as an Escalade with the 6.2 just as an example.
I laughed at that and this was before I even had experienced one like the one in the Denali. But they're right. If you take both and just grandma drive them and stay with traffic the Toyota V8 doesn't rev as much.
But any 6.2L GM will absolutely annihilate an LX570... not even close.
but to get that same level of directness you need to do some downshifts prior to giving it gas... it's really some major first world problems lol but i think the mpg tradeoffs are typically worth it for slightly less feedback
Right, but you don't have to wait even a split second for any turbos to spool. But yes a modern turbo has more torque.
Originally Posted by Stroock639
but to get that same level of directness you need to do some downshifts prior to giving it gas... it's really some major first world problems lol but i think the mpg tradeoffs are typically worth it for slightly less feedback
Not with a 48v system...the electric motor fills in the turbo lag gap and gives you that instant torque.
In my Lexuses the lazy electronic throttle created more acceleration lag than the turbos anyways.
Not with a 48v system...the electric motor fills in the turbo lag gap and gives you that instant torque.
In my Lexuses the lazy electronic throttle created more acceleration lag than the turbos anyways.
yes it "does" but there's absolutely a very noticeable amount of turbo lag until about 2000 rpm, i'm only speaking about the M256 I6 though i'm sure it's better in the V8
also your LS had a sluggish throttle? that's disappointing considering the throttle response in my LS is like off the charts, actually like the best calibrated system i've used
also your LS had a sluggish throttle? that's disappointing considering the throttle response in my LS is like off the charts, actually like the best calibrated system i've used
I’ve never experienced sluggish throttle response in any of my Lexus’es. 2RX, 3GS. Perfect throttle response.
Having owned both an LS400 and a 540i, I can guarantee you the 540i responds so much better off the line even with a smaller engine and a turbo. It makes 332 lb ft(factory rating, BMW underrates, probably more like 340 at the wheels and around 370 at the crank) from 1380 to 5200 RPM.
Thank you. So per your own admission lumping together tires simply by aspect ratio as you always do makes no sense.
Nope.....not quite what I said. I said that most(not all) of the 45-series tires I've owned or test-driven, regardless of the actual sidewall height, have not, by my standards, measured up to my own level (opinion) of driving comfort. Some exceptions are from Hyundai/Genesis, older BMWs....and possibly a few Mercedes products.
I think part of this discussion centers around the fact that some of us may have varying ideas of what is considered comfortable and what isn't. That is going to vary from person to person. Your idea of ride "comfort" may not be the same as mine....or of other CL members.
yes it "does" but there's absolutely a very noticeable amount of turbo lag until about 2000 rpm, i'm only speaking about the M256 I6 though i'm sure it's better in the V8
Its nonexistant with the V8. Honestly I never noticed any lag even without the 48v system
also Iour LS had a sluggish throttle? that's disappointing considering the throttle response in my LS is like off the charts, actually like the best calibrated system i've used
Its common on these cars, there is a second when you put your foot on the throttle where it takes a half second for the TPS to register your input. When our LS400 was new we brought it in and we were told it was normal, and we drove 3-4 other new LS400s at the dealer and they were all the same way. Putting it in ECT PWR helps it. The LS430 was a little better, and the 460s better still. The worst was my 2003 ES300.
Originally Posted by Carfan94
I’ve never experienced sluggish throttle response in any of my Lexus’es. 2RX, 3GS. Perfect throttle response.
Can't speak to those since I didn't have them, my 4GS had good throttle response, same engine as your 3GS. My 5ES was also good, my 4ES and my 2LS were the worst.
yes it "does" but there's absolutely a very noticeable amount of turbo lag until about 2000 rpm, i'm only speaking about the M256 I6 though i'm sure it's better in the V8
also your LS had a sluggish throttle? that's disappointing considering the throttle response in my LS is like off the charts, actually like the best calibrated system i've used
All of my Lexus cars sucked with that, all needed tunes to feel 1:1 and remove the delays. The 430s were hilariously bad to the point you could stab at them to no result if you were fast enough
Having owned both an LS400 and a 540i, I can guarantee you the 540i responds so much better off the line even with a smaller engine and a turbo. It makes 332 lb ft(factory rating, BMW underrates, probably more like 340 at the wheels and around 370 at the crank) from 1380 to 5200 RPM.
I'm not surprised you feel that way. The 540i and highly regarded ZF 8 speed transmission is a terrific combination. Good fuel efficiency for the performance too.
Having owned both an LS400 and a 540i, I can guarantee you the 540i responds so much better off the line even with a smaller engine and a turbo. It makes 332 lb ft(factory rating, BMW underrates, probably more like 340 at the wheels and around 370 at the crank) from 1380 to 5200 RPM.
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