General Car Conversation 2024 - part 2
#2161
Lexus Fanatic
People are not all of a sudden going to want early 2000s luxury cars again…their heyday is behind them. Collectors and people who like old cars will want them but people aren’t going to all of a sudden go out and want to drive 30 year old luxury cars again
nothing lasts forever, there are plenty of LS400s and LS430s in junkyards etc.
nothing lasts forever, there are plenty of LS400s and LS430s in junkyards etc.
#2162
Lexus Test Driver
The care isn't insane, but they do require you be more delicate. Carwashes are a bad idea, you can't polish them or wax them because it changes the finish. You can use spray sealants and ceramic coatings designed for matte finishes. Can't polish out any scratches so you have to avoid them.
I wouldn't take care of it. Lol
Then again, my car hasn't been washed in a few months so it's looking matte finish already.
#2163
Lexus Champion
That is completely false. Its best years aren't behind it because everyone's gonna want old school luxury cars back slathered with wood one day and admire the old ones, they already do. LS430s are still on the road, many.. MANY. People hold onto them.
That's literally the second or mayyyyyyyybe third time I've ever even heard of an LS430 transmission failing in a dozen years on these forums. That's actually crazy impressive. You and I look at it different because we have such different opinions and car buying habits.
As would I my LS, but it's a creampuff 9/10 condition flagship Lexus with absolutely NOTHING wrong with it. The V8 powertrain is so silky smooth, hard to top. As you know I like good V8 engines.
That's literally the second or mayyyyyyyybe third time I've ever even heard of an LS430 transmission failing in a dozen years on these forums. That's actually crazy impressive. You and I look at it different because we have such different opinions and car buying habits.
As would I my LS, but it's a creampuff 9/10 condition flagship Lexus with absolutely NOTHING wrong with it. The V8 powertrain is so silky smooth, hard to top. As you know I like good V8 engines.
#2164
Lexus Fanatic
#2165
Lexus Fanatic
Unfortunately the trend is bigger and bigger wheels with low profile tires because....I don't know why. Looks?
#2166
Lexus Champion
People are not all of a sudden going to want early 2000s luxury cars again…their heyday is behind them. Collectors and people who like old cars will want them but people aren’t going to all of a sudden go out and want to drive 30 year old luxury cars again
nothing lasts forever, there are plenty of LS400s and LS430s in junkyards etc.
nothing lasts forever, there are plenty of LS400s and LS430s in junkyards etc.
I guarantee plenty of lifetime luxury car drivers would still be impressed with it. There's no tech but the car is built like a brick shyyyythouse with materials that are still quite stunning. That might explain a big reason lots of them are still around.
#2167
Lexus Test Driver
#2168
Lexus Test Driver
definitely agreed though that they won't be making a comeback lol... they were reflective of the era but people have notably different priorities now
#2169
Lexus Fanatic
I don't know why. Looks?
#2170
Lexus Fanatic
iTrader: (20)
yup. of course striker thinks they're horribly unreliable and audis are perfect.
everyone? and as has been said, keeping old cars gets harder as time goes on, but sure, it can be done, and is done. but it takes dedication.
agreed.
#2171
my GS rides pretty smooth for a car with low profile tires. 245/40R18. It has 98 mm of sidewall. Although it does have trouble smoothing over manhole covers that sit below the pavement level.
And it rides much smoother at higher speeds. At low speeds the ride can feel a little bit choppy and busy on rough pavement. But I have driven many cars and trucks with much fatter tires that don’t ride any smoother.
#2172
Lexus Fanatic
I would dearly love to have the riding comfort of a big American luxury sedan of the 60s or 70s.......but they are just too big and bulky for the driving conditions (and parking-spaces) I face every day. In fact, that was one reason why I downsized from a Lacrosse to the Encore GX. And the Lacrosse was nowhere near the size of my first big Buick.....an Electra 225.
I don't mean they're going to want to buy literally 30 year old luxury cars. I said the LS430 gets more admirable over time because it knows exactly what it wants to be and nails it. It's also aging well in the looks department. Nothing lasts forever but like I said, it would be gone fast if it were a money pit.
I guarantee plenty of lifetime luxury car drivers would still be impressed with it. There's no tech but the car is built like a brick shyyyythouse with materials that are still quite stunning. That might explain a big reason lots of them are still around.
I just recently drove one because I am thinking about replacing my 03 ES for my Mom, and its a nice old car...impressed with it? Not really. Nothing I would want to buy or drive. Now a 98-00 LS400 I would like to have a nice one as a garage queen because thats a special car to me but I would never drive it regularly.
knowing what i know about that era of toyota and how seriously they took lexus in those years i'd have to assume that most junked 400s and 430s have either been wrecked or seriously neglected... i drove matt farah's million mile lexus when it had 'only' 980,000 miles on the odo and it still felt smooth and luxurious! regular routine maintenance will go such a long way on those early lexus cars
definitely agreed though that they won't be making a comeback lol... they were reflective of the era but people have notably different priorities now
definitely agreed though that they won't be making a comeback lol... they were reflective of the era but people have notably different priorities now
To most people who drive these they are old hoopties and they paid $2,000 for it and if it needed a big repair it would be junked.
#2173
Lexus Champion
I just recently drove one because I am thinking about replacing my 03 ES for my Mom, and its a nice old car...impressed with it? Not really. Nothing I would want to buy or drive. Now a 98-00 LS400 I would like to have a nice one as a garage queen because thats a special car to me but I would never drive it regularly.
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#2174
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by AJT123
Right, you also drive a $140,000 S-Class. Top 1% of cars.
Sorry, they are 20+ years old, they are really
old cars now. Average age of a car on the road now is 12 years, so it’s considerably older than average. Even the most reliable old
cars don’t last forever. That was the crux of where this discussion began. It’s like an 80 year old
person dying, they may be very healthy and happy one minute and then something comes up and they die, and everybody says “well…he was 80 years old”. Some people may live to 100, but death at 75+ no longer a surprise. Death of a 20+ year old car is also no longer a surprise.
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