AJT123

We aren't talking about EVs. I don't want hybrid/electric assist or start/stop on my ICE S-class. That's not gonna ever change. I don't get why some take this so personally, it's like food. I don't like fish. No matter how good you tell me it is, I'm not going to order it.

AMIRZA786

I agree with you on this, a lot of tech is just a bunch of gimmicks that get dated quickly. But if you do it right, it stays relevant. The screen on Tesla's for example have never gotten dated. My friends 2018 Model 3's screen is just as relevant as my 2023. I do have better processing power and some features that were added later, but the screens function has been kept up to date, even 6 years later. But this is another discussion

AJT123

Which alone is enough to turn me off, I've told you that before. Don't get so hostile over my opinions. The whir of a big German engine whirring to life is part of the appeal. A nice V8 Lexus starting is about as exciting as switching a vacuum cleaner on. I keep my garage closed when I start up my SL just to hear it even more.

My friend also misses the starter. And, he can tell when the drivetrain disconnects and reconnects to the axles sometimes... pass.

AMIRZA786

I'm talking all cars, ICE & EV's, and hybrids. All have electrical systems, all benefit from 48 volt systems. I'm not even talking about start stop.

Personally I don't really care what you are going to order or not order, that's your personal preference. Your opinions are just not matching reality is all I'm saying. It's like me saying trucks are horrible, and I've never driven one in my life. It may be my opinion, but its an uninformed one

SW17LS

The last line is the problem. It doesn’t do what you are describing. The car never disconnects and reconnects to the axles. If you turn off engine stop start it drives like any other ICE car.

As for the starter grind, that’s such a small thing I don’t get that but you do you. . You love your LS430 even though “it’s about as exciting as turning a vacuum cleaner on”

Striker223

48v systems are great, if you don't like the start stop then don't use it. It enables stuff like full active roll bars that raise the car 5 inches when you approach and then drop it back down so you have SUV ease of access in stuff like the current S8. It also allows full active suspension, lighter weight, less wiring, and all for just a hair more risk of shocking yourself when working on them

Can't really have that without 48v due to weight

AJT123

Actually it does.....

The off-throttle-to-partial-throttle transition catches the Benz off guard. The engine, disconnected from the wheels for efficient coasting, suddenly reacquaints itself, producing an uncomfortable shudder.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/reviews...-class-review/

Everything to save a drop of fuel.

AJT123

It's electric, hybridized assist and batteries I don't want that comes with them.

If cars need more powerful electrical systems, that's not what I'm complaining about.

SW17LS

It does not do that in normal modes, it may in eco mode but not in Comfort or Sport mode which are the only modes I use.

Again, I own the car and you have never driven it lol.

AMIRZA786

^^^^^ This ^^^^^

Stroock639

as far as the actual start up each of my cars is about the same tbh as far as starter motor sound... once the engine actually fires though is where the big difference comes into play

the lexus just sort of idles high and gradually winds down as the coolant warms, the benz does a full 'cold start' where it's like a whole big dramatic thing and then the revs suddenly drop

i agree a cold start on the benz is much more of an occasion, and yea in a tight confined space you just get these deeeeeep heavy bass sounds that resonate and let you know something BIG just came to life... dammit i may need to take it out for a highway attack tonight haha

Toys4RJill

Sounds like a nightmare repair outside of warranty. All evidence supports the notion to stay away from German cars outside of warranty. I don’t think the powertrain warranty is not all that long which is another concern

Striker223

*W12 turbine starter nosies*

Toys4RJill

There are pros and cons to 48V systems. The cons outweigh the pros in my opinion. Pretty difficult to repair

AMIRZA786

Ah, looks like we have an expert in 48v systems who's repaired lots of them. Good to know I have someone to turn to with lots of experience