Toyota to replace nearly all 3.5L TTV6s in Tundra and LX
07-27-24, 10:36 AM
#76
Lexus Champion
I was thinking the same couple days ago then I built one and at $80k the thought faded away seeing I wouldn’t daily it and it would sit parked unless it’s time to hitch up. However It tows great but I wasn’t happy with the quality. Then also reading on tundras forums about quality issues doesn’t help either.
Not trying to be funny but how long is proven longevity in Ford world? Even on the 3rd gen Tundra, I don’t buy extended warranties but due to replacement cost of the Toyota’s TT engine, I would definitely purchase their longest warranty. Then after the warranty runs its course I would be on pins and needles owning it out of warranty.
Not trying to be funny but how long is proven longevity in Ford world? Even on the 3rd gen Tundra, I don’t buy extended warranties but due to replacement cost of the Toyota’s TT engine, I would definitely purchase their longest warranty. Then after the warranty runs its course I would be on pins and needles owning it out of warranty.
07-27-24, 10:58 AM
#79
Lexus Champion
It is still ford after all, but their stuff does work fine. Not great, but fine.....
Gm is the same but they tend to cheap out even more for the lower end cars than ford, Chrysler is the same but they generally have great designs but it's a dice roll if your particular car will be good or not.
Gm is the same but they tend to cheap out even more for the lower end cars than ford, Chrysler is the same but they generally have great designs but it's a dice roll if your particular car will be good or not.
07-27-24, 11:03 AM
#80
Lexus Fanatic
Manufacturing defect or design? Pathetic either way. Ford has building trucks for how long? Just don’t blame the Union Labour lol
anyway.
good for Toyota to replace the engines. I always said it was manufacturing defect and not a design problem. Good work Toyota for stepping up 👏
07-27-24, 11:05 AM
#81
reaplcing the engines is the right move, not just the short block. I wouldnt be surprised if they found out short block repair only still had high failure rates. Debris contaminates the oil system, turbochargers. I saw one video that said short block repair is around 30 hours and ties up an enormous amount of shop space. If a short block repair fails again thats more time accumulated for lemon law and toyota has to buy it back. Its going to be less risky and less time consuming overall to just put a whole new engine in it than to cheap out and try a short block repair.
it took ford around 5 years just to get to a gen 2 ecoboost engine to iron out the issues, it had issues early on. Tundra has only been out 2 years, we dont know of any long term issues, its too early.
Just sounds like salty old guys clinging to the past. Ford has been using turbocharged V6's in trucks for almost 15 years now. The 3.5 and 2.7 both tow fine and have proven longevity.
Toyota messed up their implementation, that doesn't mean turbocharging is stupid. It's not the boost that's destroying these engines, it's the fact that Toyota apparently doesn't know you're supposed to remove machining debris from the engine block when you manufacture it. Did the turbocharger enter the factory and blow metal shavings into the rotating assemblies?
Toyota messed up their implementation, that doesn't mean turbocharging is stupid. It's not the boost that's destroying these engines, it's the fact that Toyota apparently doesn't know you're supposed to remove machining debris from the engine block when you manufacture it. Did the turbocharger enter the factory and blow metal shavings into the rotating assemblies?
07-27-24, 03:19 PM
#82
They also get to replace the whole engine with something built at the factory - no unknowns as to how the particular shop did the job. The old engines go back to Toyota for refurbishment and for forensics.
As for the v6 vs v8 and all that BS - if turbos were that much of a problem, all the local (I'm in the EU) downsized turbos would've been falling apart left and right. Surprise, surprise - it's all low-tension rings, rod bearings on BMWs, chains on mostly everything, coil packs, etc... the hard-driven turbo cars actually tend to fare better. This engine is an extreme anomaly, reliability-wise. Could also be that Toyota needs to upspec its oil, but the 2.0t (8ar-fts) and 2.4t (t24a-fts) present on a ton of transverse platforms have shown no significant issues (and certainly none of the "rotating assembly" kind), and the t24a-fts in particular has the same main bearing cap style - albeit being in an i4 configuration. Their new 90deg. v6 diesel (f33a) also has a single main bearing cap carrier, but is a cast iron (likely CGI) block. No real issues so far, surprising for a modern Toyota diesel.
As for the v6 vs v8 and all that BS - if turbos were that much of a problem, all the local (I'm in the EU) downsized turbos would've been falling apart left and right. Surprise, surprise - it's all low-tension rings, rod bearings on BMWs, chains on mostly everything, coil packs, etc... the hard-driven turbo cars actually tend to fare better. This engine is an extreme anomaly, reliability-wise. Could also be that Toyota needs to upspec its oil, but the 2.0t (8ar-fts) and 2.4t (t24a-fts) present on a ton of transverse platforms have shown no significant issues (and certainly none of the "rotating assembly" kind), and the t24a-fts in particular has the same main bearing cap style - albeit being in an i4 configuration. Their new 90deg. v6 diesel (f33a) also has a single main bearing cap carrier, but is a cast iron (likely CGI) block. No real issues so far, surprising for a modern Toyota diesel.
07-27-24, 08:03 PM
#83
Lexus Test Driver
Manufacturing defect or design? Pathetic either way. Ford has building trucks for how long? Just don’t blame the Union Labour lol
anyway.
good for Toyota to replace the engines. I always said it was manufacturing defect and not a design problem. Good work Toyota for stepping up 👏
Our engines aren't failing en masse before 10,000 miles. The Toyota cult kool-aid is strong.
07-27-24, 09:09 PM
#84
Lexus Fanatic
You're pretty ignorant about trucks, but these recalls are generally for minor issues. F-150's are a solid work vehicle. I'd happily buy another one. Found On Road Dead is a stupid meme.
Our engines aren't failing en masse before 10,000 miles. The Toyota cult kool-aid is strong.
Our engines aren't failing en masse before 10,000 miles. The Toyota cult kool-aid is strong.
The Toyota cult kool-aid is strong
07-27-24, 09:20 PM
#85
Pole Position
I just believe that 689,000 Ford F510 transmission issues is a far worse issue to have (not sure if officially recalled yet) than 100,000 Toyota engines that don’t have a design defect. A manufacturing deficiency. I guess we just see things differently. It is disappointing but good to see Toyota recall it and offer new engines so quickly. I also find it interesting that Lexus LX600 had it. But no Land Crusier 300s.
07-27-24, 09:22 PM
#86
Lexus Champion
I just believe that 689,000 Ford F510 transmission issues is a far worse issue to have (not sure if officially recalled yet) than 100,000 Toyota engines that don’t have a design defect. A manufacturing deficiency. I guess we just see things differently. It is disappointing but good to see Toyota recall it and offer new engines so quickly. I also find it interesting that Lexus LX600 had it. But no Land Crusier 300s.
haha. lol. Not at all. I don’t even think Toyota and F150 are even in the same league. The F150 is the better overall package, no question. No comparison with the Raptor. But I do think the Tundra will be less problematic long term. And be less costly to maintain by quite a bit. Will definitely have better resale value. With the Tundra, lack of auto 4WD is inexcusable, Toyota could have offered full time 4WD and the interior is a little questionable. We saw my friend tonight, he has a 23 F150 and his son has a F150 too, both ecoboost. The father has had a V8 F150 his entire life, maybe 7 new F150 or more. I asked him if he misses his V8 and he said he didn’t. His new 3.5tt is great. And excellent for towing.
haha. lol. Not at all. I don’t even think Toyota and F150 are even in the same league. The F150 is the better overall package, no question. No comparison with the Raptor. But I do think the Tundra will be less problematic long term. And be less costly to maintain by quite a bit. Will definitely have better resale value. With the Tundra, lack of auto 4WD is inexcusable, Toyota could have offered full time 4WD and the interior is a little questionable. We saw my friend tonight, he has a 23 F150 and his son has a F150 too, both ecoboost. The father has had a V8 F150 his entire life, maybe 7 new F150 or more. I asked him if he misses his V8 and he said he didn’t. His new 3.5tt is great. And excellent for towing.
07-27-24, 09:43 PM
#88
Lexus Fanatic
They also get to replace the whole engine with something built at the factory - no unknowns as to how the particular shop did the job. The old engines go back to Toyota for refurbishment and for forensics.
As for the v6 vs v8 and all that BS - if turbos were that much of a problem, all the local (I'm in the EU) downsized turbos would've been falling apart left and right. Surprise, surprise - it's all low-tension rings, rod bearings on BMWs, chains on mostly everything, coil packs, etc... the hard-driven turbo cars actually tend to fare better. This engine is an extreme anomaly, reliability-wise. Could also be that Toyota needs to upspec its oil, but the 2.0t (8ar-fts) and 2.4t (t24a-fts) present on a ton of transverse platforms have shown no significant issues (and certainly none of the "rotating assembly" kind), and the t24a-fts in particular has the same main bearing cap style - albeit being in an i4 configuration. Their new 90deg. v6 diesel (f33a) also has a single main bearing cap carrier, but is a cast iron (likely CGI) block. No real issues so far, surprising for a modern Toyota diesel.
As for the v6 vs v8 and all that BS - if turbos were that much of a problem, all the local (I'm in the EU) downsized turbos would've been falling apart left and right. Surprise, surprise - it's all low-tension rings, rod bearings on BMWs, chains on mostly everything, coil packs, etc... the hard-driven turbo cars actually tend to fare better. This engine is an extreme anomaly, reliability-wise. Could also be that Toyota needs to upspec its oil, but the 2.0t (8ar-fts) and 2.4t (t24a-fts) present on a ton of transverse platforms have shown no significant issues (and certainly none of the "rotating assembly" kind), and the t24a-fts in particular has the same main bearing cap style - albeit being in an i4 configuration. Their new 90deg. v6 diesel (f33a) also has a single main bearing cap carrier, but is a cast iron (likely CGI) block. No real issues so far, surprising for a modern Toyota diesel.
07-27-24, 09:46 PM
#90
Lexus Fanatic
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