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Old 08-05-24 | 06:35 PM
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I could also say eating junk food costs more. Lol
Junk food is probably far worse


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The cost of driving newer cars that pass emissions is passed to the consumer.
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My gov in my province rolled back emissions testing for older cars. Diesel owners are lucky as the emissions on those cars is very expensive to fix.

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In the United States estimated health cost from breathing polluted air per person is $2,500/year.
Now ask the average person if they would rather have $5000 or a cleaner car and see what they pick.....
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Now ask the average person if they would rather have $5000 or a cleaner car and see what they pick.....
Ask the person with lung cancer.
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Why are we talking about emissions when this is about crash safety?
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Because us evil ICE owners need to be reminded how we're holding back society, of course.
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Ask the person with lung cancer.
They should probably have not been a smoker then lol!
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Mexico's City's problem is not so much the amount of pollution, but, like the Los Angeles region, it sits under an inversion-bowl in the atmosphere that acts as a trap, does not allow much mixing or vertical currents of air, and prevents dispersion of what low-level pollution you have. No amount of regulation is going to be able to prevent that.
I find it hilarious that you choose LA as the closest comparison, and then try to claim that regulation can have no effect on pollution. In 20th century LA the air was so thick you could grab handfuls of it and collect it in a bag. This picture from 1958 shows several women unable to see due to the pain in their eyes, a gentleman wearing a gas mask to protect himself, and there is so much smog that you literally cannot see buildings a half-block away:



Not at all the case today, and the change isn't the result of magic.
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Originally Posted by geko29
I find it hilarious that you choose LA as the closest comparison, and then try to claim that regulation can have no effect on pollution. In 20th century LA the air was so thick you could grab handfuls of it and collect it in a bag. This picture from 1958 shows several women unable to see due to the pain in their eyes, a gentleman wearing a gas mask to protect himself, and there is so much smog that you literally cannot see buildings a half-block away:

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Not at all the case today, and the change isn't the result of magic.
There's also those images from the pandemic where the LA skyline was super clear because vehicle traffic was so low


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Originally Posted by geko29
I find it hilarious that you choose LA as the closest comparison, and then try to claim that regulation can have no effect on pollution. In 20th century LA the air was so thick you could grab handfuls of it and collect it in a bag. This picture from 1958 shows several women unable to see due to the pain in their eyes, a gentleman wearing a gas mask to protect himself, and there is so much smog that you literally cannot see buildings a half-block away:



Not at all the case today, and the change isn't the result of magic.
Hilarious?

And I find it even more hilarious that you seem to ignore the fact that, even with regulation, although not as bad as decades ago, LA still has arguably the worst air quality in the country.

Have a nice day.
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Hilarious?

And I find it even more hilarious that you seem to ignore the fact that, even with regulation, although not as bad as decades ago, LA still has arguably the worst air quality in the country.

Have a nice day.
Smog would definitely ruin a nice day There is nothing hilarious about that

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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Hilarious?

And I find it even more hilarious that you seem to ignore the fact that, even with regulation, although not as bad as decades ago, LA still has arguably the worst air quality in the country.

Have a nice day.


Air Quality Index only goes back so far, but 8-hour carbon monoxide has been used by regulating bodies for roughly the same reason. Saying LA has some of the worst air in the country is true, but ignores all of the work that has been done to improve it over the years.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Hilarious?

And I find it even more hilarious that you seem to ignore the fact that, even with regulation, although not as bad as decades ago, LA still has arguably the worst air quality in the country.

Have a nice day.
Not so much. Here is LA, today:



This is actually up from last week's value of 38 due to smoke from the wildfires.

The most polluted city in the country today is Winthrop, Washington at 165. Even my own distant suburb of Chicago is higher than LA, at 53. Out your way, Fairfax is at 57, and Reston at 61.

The picture I posted was probably 400+. What is your alternative explanation for how a city with this atmospheric inversion got from 400+ to 38 or 46?
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Originally Posted by geko29
Not so much. Here is LA, today:



This is actually up from last week's value of 38 due to smoke from the wildfires.

The most polluted city in the country today is Winthrop, Washington at 165. Even my own distant suburb of Chicago is higher than LA, at 53. Out your way, Fairfax is at 57, and Reston at 61.

The picture I posted was probably 400+. What is your alternative explanation for how a city with this atmospheric inversion got from 400+ to 38 or 46?
Im sure regulations help.
Also, putting in highways to move the traffic thru I think would help a lot too.

City planning is important too and for gosh sakes, plant some trees. 🤓
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Originally Posted by Margate330
Im sure regulations help.
Also, putting in highways to move the traffic thru I think would help a lot too.

City planning is important too and for gosh sakes, plant some trees. 🤓
LA has plenty of trees, I grew up with Palm trees everywhere



For all those that don't care about either safety or emissions standards and don't care about breathing polluted air, good for you. Personally, I'm happy to take my Sienna in for a smog check every two years and do my part to keep our air clean, and I'm also happy every car I own has passed numerous crash and safety tests
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Originally Posted by geko29
Not so much. Here is LA, today:
Here are the Ten most polluted cities, ranked in order. Six of the top seven are in California.....including the L.A. region. This list is effective April of this year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/healthie...ity-in-the-u-s

10 Most Polluted Cities by Annual Particle Matter

RANK METROPOLITAN AREA STATE

1 Bakersfield California
2 Visalia California
3 Fresno-Madera-Hanford California
4 Eugene-Springfield Oregon
5 San Jose-San Francisco-Oakland California
6 Los Angeles-Long Beach California
7 Sacramento-Roseville California 8 Medford-Grants Pass Oregon
9 Phoenix-Mesa Arizona
0 Fairbanks Alaska


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