SEMA Asks The Supreme Court to Stop California’s 2035 Ban on New ICE Vehicle Sales
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SEMA Asks The Supreme Court to Stop California’s 2035 Ban on New ICE Vehicle Sales
SEMA filed an amicus brief, arguing that California's 2035 ICE vehicle ban will kill innovation & negatively impact the automotive industry.
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articl...vehicle-sales/
https://www.corvetteforum.com/articl...vehicle-sales/
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SEMA goes on to reference studies that support the claim that EVs are not cleaner than ICE vehicles. EVs have no tailpipe emissions, but they do contribute emissions during other points in their lifecycle. One study noted that EVs produce 15 percent more manufacturing-related emissions than an equivalent ICE vehicle. There is also evidence that heavier EVs create more tire-wear and road-wear particulate pollution. Of course, the energy to charge an EV also has to come from somewhere. So, SEMA contends that simply mandating all vehicles be EVs is not really going to address the pollution problem.
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CA doing CA things, and i live in this state...we have the strictest smog laws among the 50 states so that mandate didn't come as a surprise. i recall "smog" days in the late 80s early 90s and i could barely see the downtown LA skyscrappers from only a few block away. i've dealt with the CA Air Resources Board (CARB) on modified parts on my vehicles, and still do every other year when emissions testing rolls around.
I do appreciate SEMA as they have helped educate and regulate lots over the years in CA particularly. i've certainly benefited from their efforts, directly and indirectly.
I do appreciate SEMA as they have helped educate and regulate lots over the years in CA particularly. i've certainly benefited from their efforts, directly and indirectly.
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The main problem I see, and I work in the EV charging industry, is that CA has a pretty weak electricity supply grid and while demand is increasing (and partially due to the looming edict of EVs only as new vehicles by 2035), nothing is being done to fortify the existing infrastructure. We have one nuke plant still in operation but there are plans to shutter it. So we’re going to legislate a forced increase in demand on a grid that cannot support the current demand? Policymakers seem to think electricity just comes out of a wall plug and also seem to not realize it needs to be generated. Rather than lip service about net zero emissions, the policy wonks need to prioritize how the hell we are going to power all these EVs.
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I work in Regulatory in the Pharma/Biotech industry
We have this "will it pass the red face test" regarding anything we submit
The legal brief may be a bit light on the facts
They site a 2015 report regarding greenness, couldn't find anything newer than that kids?
Here is a link to some MIT geniuses who trend the other way
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-...s-powered-cars
OK, SEMA, if you get your day in court, please dial up a response to the following question, what percentage of the products from your members lead to higher emissions?
We have this "will it pass the red face test" regarding anything we submit
The legal brief may be a bit light on the facts
They site a 2015 report regarding greenness, couldn't find anything newer than that kids?
Here is a link to some MIT geniuses who trend the other way
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/are-...s-powered-cars
OK, SEMA, if you get your day in court, please dial up a response to the following question, what percentage of the products from your members lead to higher emissions?
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The main problem I see, and I work in the EV charging industry, is that CA has a pretty weak electricity supply grid and while demand is increasing (and partially due to the looming edict of EVs only as new vehicles by 2035), nothing is being done to fortify the existing infrastructure. We have one nuke plant still in operation but there are plans to shutter it. So we’re going to legislate a forced increase in demand on a grid that cannot support the current demand? Policymakers seem to think electricity just comes out of a wall plug and also seem to not realize it needs to be generated. Rather than lip service about net zero emissions, the policy wonks need to prioritize how the hell we are going to power all these EVs.
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Sorry, but this is wide of the mark. The CA grid absolutely supports current requirements. The predicted rolling black out doom and gloom that we hear is going to happen every year never materializes, and it's equally wide of the mark to look at the grid of today as representative of the grid tomorrow. But even if it were, there is already more capacity available today than we need. Sensible capcity management practices aren't indicative of a lack of capacity. To provide just one example, I just had my own plan changed by the utility who proactively added a super off peak between 9am and 2pm every day precisely because there is excess capacity at that time mostly because of the extra renewable generation at that time.
The Western grid is currently not ready for a full EV transition at this point.
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The point is he’s using sleight of hand. Current energy demand is lower than current energy capacity and future demand isn’t a problem until it exceeds future capacity. Which remains a work in progress. And again, sensible energy management is just that. We do not get rolling blackouts here. Haven’t had a single one in 24 years here.
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Not gonna happen. Virtue signaling of the highest magnitude is all this is.
I’d bet everything I own they’re gonna be eating their words too just like all the automakers.
If SCOTUS does get involved, they will shut it down with a quickness.
I’d bet everything I own they’re gonna be eating their words too just like all the automakers.
If SCOTUS does get involved, they will shut it down with a quickness.
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Regardless of the politics, it's not a very good amicus brief. And for those who don't know how these things work, literally anyone can file an amicus curiae brief and the courts themselves are under no obligation to pay any attention to them.
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Sorry, but this is wide of the mark. The CA grid absolutely supports current requirements. The predicted rolling black out doom and gloom that we hear is going to happen every year never materializes, and it's equally wide of the mark to look at the grid of today as representative of the grid tomorrow. But even if it were, there is already more capacity available today than we need. Sensible capcity management practices aren't indicative of a lack of capacity. To provide just one example, I just had my own plan changed by the utility who proactively added a super off peak between 9am and 2pm every day precisely because there is excess capacity at that time mostly because of the extra renewable generation at that time.
https://fortune.com/2022/09/01/calif...harge-newsom/#
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Real time current demand, current generation/grid capacity and projected demand data are all available on the independent system operator website.