LexusLuver

http://forums1.roadfly.org/mini/foru...4907809-1.html

Wasnt it Clements who recently said something like if Lexus updates their motors, BMW sales are screwed.

I wonder where all the 7-series sales went.

LexusLuver

http://www.autoweek.com/cat_content...._code=02186323

KVA

The new M5 looks like a beast on paper...can't wait to see it in person.

Iceman

Looks like a beast in pictures, too--a hideously ugly beast that should have been cleaned up before being brought to the ball. Even 500 HP isn't enough for that car to outrun its bad looks.

-J-P-L-

lol

LexFather

True story. The head of BMW design (the guy that designed the 80s and early 90s BMWs) was charged with killing his son I think in 1994 or so. SO no more job. Then enter Bangle. And we have BMW screwing up from there.

mmarshall

Even worse, I understand it has I-Drive just like the regular 5's. That's JUST what this car needs.....the driver screwing around with his eyes off the road trying to figure out that *!?%#$ **** in a car capable of essentially race-car speeds.

LexFather

I am still at a loss why the "ULTIMATE DRIVING MACHINE" needs something as distracting as I-drive.

mmarshall

BMW's argument ( THEIR words, not mine ) is that contempory dashes are getting too cluttered with dials, buttons, *****, slides, etc.....and that I-Drive (and Audi's similar system) is their way of cleaning up the dash, and putting everything together, and making it more efficient.

However, like you, I don't see anything "efficient" about having to screw around with a computerized joystick hunting for the different heat, AC, defrost, radio, or NAV functions while you are trying to keep your eyes ahead in dense traffic or on a dangerous mountain road.

-J-P-L-

Agreed.

I don't care how many buttons they would need to put on a console,
it would still be much more easy to use than an i-Drive menu.

To perform a function in a normal car, you simple tap one button.
With i-Drive, you must 1st select the desired catogory (climate,
entertainment, ect. ). Then you must scroll down trying to locate
a command and go from there.

All while driving "The Ultimate Driving Machine".

LexusLuver

I think everyone is ignoring this car has a 5.0L 500hp V10.
Thats 100hp/L
V10 n/a flexibility.

The E55AMG is a 5.5L force fed V8. It makes less hp, and less hp/L.
Not to mention it's mostly low-end power.

Toyota is too conservative to build such an engine, MB probably doesnt have the technology.

D2-AUTOSPORT

Wow, whats that they say about the mental conflicts of 'great' people? Who would think anything like THAT?

bitkahuna

iTrader: (20)

I'd still take the E55. The M5 'only' has 360 or so lb/ft torque. Also, the interior of the 5 series is foul.

LexusLuver

Torque?
The M5 is not some lowly dragster.

I would prefer the M5, which will school the E55 AMG from a roll.

MGS4

MB CLK-DTM




Engine: 5.4-liter supercharged AMG-tuned V8
Horsepower: 582 hp
Torque: 590 lb-ft

If the E class had the same engine then it could compete with the new M5 no problem. Too bad it doesn't offer in North America.