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Old 03-11-16 | 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by chikoo
The problem is that you are claiming there is only one solution.
No, I'm saying that is the best solution I can think of. I'm sure there could be other solutions like having an robot/android on the bus.
Old 03-11-16 | 10:43 AM
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No, I'm saying that is the best solution I can think of. I'm sure there could be other solutions like having an robot/android on the bus.
The best solution you can think of? Best is a relative term. Can you share the other solutions that you compared it against and determined it to be the best?

According to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary "best" can be defined two ways - "excelling all others" and "most productive of good - offering or producing the greatest advantage, utility, or satisfaction." Both of these definitions rely on being able to quantify or at least define a set of criteria for "best."
Old 03-11-16 | 10:51 AM
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I'm just saying an autonomous school bus will not replace a human driver/supervisor. There will always need to be an adult on that bus. Yes, the bus will be autonomous but you still need to pay someone to supervise the children.
Good point. Kids on a school bus can often be anything BUT well-behaved. Robots can't supervise a bunch of brats.
Old 03-11-16 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Good point. Kids on a school bus can often be anything BUT well-behaved. Robots can't supervise a bunch of brats.
To begin with, why do you feel that supervision is the only answer? To add to that why only physical human supervision is the only answer?
Old 03-11-16 | 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chikoo
All these humans just trying to ensure they don't get pushed over by machines are raising on-the-fringe doubts to shoot the idea down. Isn't it pathetic?
yup. resistance is futile.

The human mind is superior? less than 1% of humans have superior minds. the rest are just riding on their laurels and imagining themselves to be that 1%
yes, i keep telling people that they're seeing the ripples on the shore of the tech revolution, but the tidal waves are right over the horizon right now.

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I'm just saying an autonomous school bus will not replace a human driver/supervisor. There will always need to be an adult on that bus. Yes, the bus will be autonomous but you still need to pay someone to supervise the children.
mixing two things... ever seen those in bus videos where the human driver is in no way able to be a supervisor as well? one or the other. a human supervisor won't even need a driver's license and will basically be a security guard. and you're probably right that such a person would be needed for many years after the driving part is automated.

however, an alternative for the special needs kid is a small vehicle specifically for them so they don't have to worry about not getting off at the right spot because that's the ONLY place it will go. no supervisor needed. and the car itself can watch the kid, and if any signs of distress are detected, the car can change routes to appropriate specialists / care giver.

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Good point. Kids on a school bus can often be anything BUT well-behaved. Robots can't supervise a bunch of brats.
maybe not today, but they will be able to. easily. 5 years ago we couldn't talk to our phones except to another human or voice mail. now we can easily talk to our phones to have them do all sorts of things without need for humans at all. and amazon echo, a cloud-connected speaker employing voice recognition, is a huge hit.
Old 03-11-16 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by chikoo
To begin with, why do you feel that supervision is the only answer? To add to that why only physical human supervision is the only answer?
Well, obviously, the ideal situation is for kids to act like little angels all the time. But we don't live in perfect world....that just doesn't happen. I also went through 12 grades of school myself (not including college), and saw how kids can bully one another. Heck, even here, on this forum, we need adult supervision sometimes....they're called moderators.

Bitkahuna brings up a point about maybe having automatic supervisors on school buses in the future. Fine.....if they can adequately develop and perfect them. I, though, tend to be one not to count chickens before they are hatched.

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Old 03-11-16 | 08:43 PM
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gm make acquisition in push for autonomous cars...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/12/bu...ving-cars.html
Old 03-12-16 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Well, obviously, the ideal situation is for kids to act like little angels all the time. But we don't live in perfect world....that just doesn't happen. I also went through 12 grades of school myself (not including college), and saw how kids can bully one another. Heck, even here, on this forum, we need adult supervision sometimes....they're called moderators.

Bitkahuna brings up a point about maybe having automatic supervisors on school buses in the future. Fine.....if they can adequately develop and perfect them. I, though, tend to be one not to count chickens before they are hatched.
I am also on other forums and to be honest, CL is the one with most supervision, by far. I am not complaining but adding to your observation. On the other forum, the only time one gets slapped is when they post spamming material. Other than that one can argue, fight, cuss, talk about street racing, post nudity and it is ok. No worries.

My point is that the kids need to release their energy every now and then. Clampdown for every little act will only result in the rubber band effect.

Growing up, my school bus was the public transport buses. Only the driver. No supervisors. Nothing on toward happened because the kids learnt to live as a group in the bus.
Old 03-12-16 | 11:20 AM
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George Hotz just announced that he was secretly working on a self-driving car project in his garage.

Old 01-16-17 | 03:57 PM
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It's 2017.

Fast forward to 2033. Kids born in 2017 will be 16 years old.

Will they still have the need to learn how to drive a car? Or will autonomous driving be prevalent?
Old 01-16-17 | 04:11 PM
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Autonomous driving will be prevalent but will not completely displace drivers or cars driven by humans. Please start a poll

Even if they did learn driving, there will be so many driving aids that their skills would not come close to today's 16 year olds'. Who knows, they may need other types of skills to be competent "drivers".

I have even heard that windshields may be replaced by HiRes monitors, so folks may guide their vehicles thru a virtual reality type environment rather than actually seeing what's outside the vehicle. Sounds strange....
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I don't think autonomous driving will be universal by then...or even prevalent. There are just too many roadblocks (no pun intended) in its way, including huge liability questions and the possibility of terrorists or even some smart kids hacking into the systems.
Old 01-16-17 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
It's 2017.

Fast forward to 2033. Kids born in 2017 will be 16 years old.

Will they still have the need to learn how to drive a car? Or will autonomous driving be prevalent?
If that means not having to teach a 16 year old how to drive, I might be ok with it.
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I agree, the danger of hacking into a vehicle's engine management system is very very real. It is an issue right now, why wait another 16 years? Most manufacturers have Apps to remote start vehicles. It can't be too difficult to hack into that system to mess with the starting system. BTW, haven't tried this but what happens if you push the "Start/Stop" button when the vehicle is in motion? There may be a way to inactivate the engine (I believe the "kill" button to stop car thieves only works on parked vehicles) and stop a moving car. That would be terrifying.

IMO, in 16 years, many of the dangers with smart cars and hacking will have been mitigated. Liability issues are already being discussed; I am sure there will be laws in place by then.
Old 01-16-17 | 04:37 PM
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BTW, haven't tried this but what happens if you push the "Start/Stop" button when the vehicle is in motion? There may be a way to inactivate the engine (I believe the "kill" button to stop car thieves only works on parked vehicles) and stop a moving car. That would be terrifying.
I don't think you can use that button to stop the engine, for a number of reasons, if the car is in gear and in motion. For one thing, you would lose the power assist on the brakes after the small vacuum-reserve for the booster is used up...and maybe the power steering as well.



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