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Old 11-22-21, 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LeX2K
There have been so many "never gonna happen" predictions throughout history. FSD will be solved and become much better than a human it's inevitable.
Absolutely, they will solve it by Thursday or Friday at the latest.
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Old 11-22-21, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Just what Och's posted over and over...

Letting a self-driving car do its thing in NYC is dangerous.

https://youtu.be/2PMu7MD9GvI
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Old 11-24-21, 11:58 AM
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haha, gold

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Old 11-27-21, 10:49 AM
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Great article, and it's just what I've been saying for years. I find it hilarious that many people still believe the whole self driving fantasy. Much like I was always saying, not only full self driving isn't happening, but these half assed driver assist technologies are doing more bad than good.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/review...odel-y-review/

I can't conclusively say that it's because of the missing radar, but I can say that our Model Y is bad at detecting obstructions ahead. Really, really bad. The big issue is false positives, a problem that has become known as "phantom braking" among Tesla owners. Basically, the car often gets confused and thinks there's an obstacle ahead and engages the automatic emergency braking system. You get an instant, unwanted and often strong application of the brakes. This is not a problem unique to Teslas. I've experienced it on other cars, but very, very rarely. On our Model Y this happens constantly, at least once an hour and sometimes much more often than that. In a single hour of driving I caught five phantom braking incidents on camera, two hard enough to sound the automatic emergency braking chime. This is a massive problem. It happens on both the highway and on secondary roads, any time the cruise control is engaged even without Autosteer. It means the car's cruise control is patently unsafe, which means the entirety of Autopilot is unsafe. And that means the car itself is unsafe.
The phantom braking issue is a complete deal-breaker. Our car, which is running the latest production version of Autopilot, is unsafe whenever cruise control is enabled.
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Old 11-27-21, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
Great article, and it's just what I've been saying for years. I find it hilarious that many people still believe the whole self driving fantasy. Much like I was always saying, not only full self driving isn't happening, but these half assed driver assist technologies are doing more bad than good.

In general, people believe that stuff because technology has been sold, today, as the answer to everything. The more complexity a system has, and the more electronics it utilizes, the more society seems to worship it.
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Old 11-27-21, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
In general, people believe that stuff because technology has been sold, today, as the answer to everything. The more complexity a system has, and the more electronics it utilizes, the more society seems to worship it.
What about accepting the concept that people like advanced features and technology and aren't in fact "duped" as you imply?
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Old 11-27-21, 04:12 PM
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What about accepting the concept that people like advanced features and technology and aren't in fact "duped" as you imply?
I didn't say people didn't like them.....there are some hi-tech safety-features on my GX that I myself like. I simply said that IMO they aren't the answer to everything. Suppose you were to have a rental-vehicle without those features......or were driving someone else's vehicle that wasn't as lavishly equipped as yours, and it didn't cover blind spots, detect pedestrians, or manage the distance between you and the vehicle in front of you, etc....? Like it or not, you'd actually have to WATCH the road.
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Old 11-27-21, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
I didn't say people didn't like them.....there are some hi-tech safety-features on my GX that I myself like. I simply said that IMO they aren't the answer to everything. Suppose you were to have a rental-vehicle without those features......or were driving someone else's vehicle that wasn't as lavishly equipped as yours, and it didn't cover blind spots, detect pedestrians, or manage the distance between you and the vehicle in front of you, etc....? Like it or not, you'd actually have to WATCH the road.
I have a car with all of those features, and I still watch the road lol. These things are just safety nets.
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Old 11-27-21, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SW17LS
I have a car with all of those features, and I still watch the road lol. These things are just safety nets.

So do most of us on Car Chat. We are educated enough to know the dangers.
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So do most of us on Car Chat. We are educated enough to know the dangers.
As are the vast majority of vehicle buyers.
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Old 12-20-21, 06:42 PM
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"Self driving" cars in a nutshell.

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Old 01-07-22, 08:48 PM
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Tesla raising price of Full Self-Driving option that still doesn't fully self-drive

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...ive/ar-AASyhyO
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Old 01-08-22, 05:22 AM
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jill, would have been helpful to just add the punchline so people don't have to click the link.

fsd went from $10K to $12K in u.s.
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Old 01-08-22, 05:33 AM
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Self driving cars won't happen without tort reform.
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Old 01-08-22, 03:02 PM
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i still can't believe many people decided to pay this 10-12k to be a tester
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