Mercedes to drop Kompressor supercharger technology in favor of turbos
08-23-04, 05:26 PM
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Mercedes to drop Kompressor supercharger technology in favor of turbos
http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=100522
JENS MEINERS | Automotive News Europe
Posted Date: 8/2/04
STUTTGART -- Mercedes-Benz will drop supercharged Kompressor gasoline-powered engines from its lineup in favor of turbochargers.
Mercedes will add a turbocharged 2.0-liter gasoline engine for the A Class subcompact that debuts in Europe this autumn.
"Turbochargers are superior to superchargers in terms of noise and cost," said Juergen Frey, head of engine development for the A class. "When we introduced the supercharged engines it was the right decision. Turbocharging has greatly improved in the meantime, and we have virtually no turbo lag anymore."
Mercedes plans to introduce an entry-level B Class model in the United States next year. It would be based on the A class, but it is not clear whether a turbocharged version will be available.
Jim Resnick, a spokesman for Mercedes-Benz USA LLC, declined to comment on the company's U.S. plans.
Turbochargers are cheaper than superchargers for gasoline engines. Turbos also generally deliver better fuel economy. That's why turbochargers are making a comeback in Europe. Teamed with smaller gasoline engines, turbochargers will help automakers meet stricter carbon dioxide emission rules that take effect in Europe in 2008.
The U.S. government has not imposed similar standards. But the California Air Resources Board has announced plans to limit carbon dioxide emissions, triggering a major battle with automakers.
Turbochargers and superchargers both pump mixtures of air and fuel into engine cylinders, substantially boosting power.
Both use rotary fan blades to drive the air-fuel mixture, but the blades are powered differently. Superchargers are mechanically driven, typically by a belt connected to the crankshaft. Turbochargers are driven by air pressure from the engine's exhaust.
Either device allows automakers to increase the power of small engines.
Many diesel engines are turbocharged, but virtually none are supercharged. On the gasoline side, Mercedes, Jaguar, Mini and General Motors offer a few supercharged models.
But automakers generally prefer to use turbochargers with gasoline engines.
Turbocharged gasoline engines became popular in the early 1980s, when Renault, Mitsubishi, Volvo and Saab adopted them. Their popularity faded because of high fuel consumption, lack of engine responsiveness and reliability problems.
Modern turbochargers have reduced the delayed throttle response of earlier models. Supplier Robert Bosch predicts that 40 percent of gasoline-powered cars sold in Europe will be turbocharged by 2008.
Mercedes and Maybach models equipped with V12 gasoline engines already use turbochargers. As Mercedes switches to turbochargers, it eventually will stop using the supercharged engines it markets under the name Kompressor.
Kompressor -- which means supercharger in German -- evokes memories of supercharged Mercedes cars in the 1920s and 1930s. In Europe, Mercedes currently offers superchargers on the 1.8-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine sold in the C and E classes, and on several AMG 5.5-liter V8 engines.
In the United States, Mercedes sells the C230 Kompressor Sport Coupe and the C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan. AMG will drop its supercharged V6 in the United States after the 2004 model year but will continue to sell a supercharged V8.
JENS MEINERS | Automotive News Europe
Posted Date: 8/2/04
STUTTGART -- Mercedes-Benz will drop supercharged Kompressor gasoline-powered engines from its lineup in favor of turbochargers.
Mercedes will add a turbocharged 2.0-liter gasoline engine for the A Class subcompact that debuts in Europe this autumn.
"Turbochargers are superior to superchargers in terms of noise and cost," said Juergen Frey, head of engine development for the A class. "When we introduced the supercharged engines it was the right decision. Turbocharging has greatly improved in the meantime, and we have virtually no turbo lag anymore."
Mercedes plans to introduce an entry-level B Class model in the United States next year. It would be based on the A class, but it is not clear whether a turbocharged version will be available.
Jim Resnick, a spokesman for Mercedes-Benz USA LLC, declined to comment on the company's U.S. plans.
Turbochargers are cheaper than superchargers for gasoline engines. Turbos also generally deliver better fuel economy. That's why turbochargers are making a comeback in Europe. Teamed with smaller gasoline engines, turbochargers will help automakers meet stricter carbon dioxide emission rules that take effect in Europe in 2008.
The U.S. government has not imposed similar standards. But the California Air Resources Board has announced plans to limit carbon dioxide emissions, triggering a major battle with automakers.
Turbochargers and superchargers both pump mixtures of air and fuel into engine cylinders, substantially boosting power.
Both use rotary fan blades to drive the air-fuel mixture, but the blades are powered differently. Superchargers are mechanically driven, typically by a belt connected to the crankshaft. Turbochargers are driven by air pressure from the engine's exhaust.
Either device allows automakers to increase the power of small engines.
Many diesel engines are turbocharged, but virtually none are supercharged. On the gasoline side, Mercedes, Jaguar, Mini and General Motors offer a few supercharged models.
But automakers generally prefer to use turbochargers with gasoline engines.
Turbocharged gasoline engines became popular in the early 1980s, when Renault, Mitsubishi, Volvo and Saab adopted them. Their popularity faded because of high fuel consumption, lack of engine responsiveness and reliability problems.
Modern turbochargers have reduced the delayed throttle response of earlier models. Supplier Robert Bosch predicts that 40 percent of gasoline-powered cars sold in Europe will be turbocharged by 2008.
Mercedes and Maybach models equipped with V12 gasoline engines already use turbochargers. As Mercedes switches to turbochargers, it eventually will stop using the supercharged engines it markets under the name Kompressor.
Kompressor -- which means supercharger in German -- evokes memories of supercharged Mercedes cars in the 1920s and 1930s. In Europe, Mercedes currently offers superchargers on the 1.8-liter four-cylinder gasoline engine sold in the C and E classes, and on several AMG 5.5-liter V8 engines.
In the United States, Mercedes sells the C230 Kompressor Sport Coupe and the C230 Kompressor Sport Sedan. AMG will drop its supercharged V6 in the United States after the 2004 model year but will continue to sell a supercharged V8.
08-23-04, 06:02 PM
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Wow. B-Class. What's next, B55 AMG?
Variety is always a good thing for consumers I guess.
So the SLR with its supercharged V8 is gonna be dropped too eh?
Variety is always a good thing for consumers I guess.
So the SLR with its supercharged V8 is gonna be dropped too eh?
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Originally posted by XeroK00L
So the SLR with its supercharged V8 is gonna be dropped too eh?
So the SLR with its supercharged V8 is gonna be dropped too eh?
Originally posted by Attila
AMG will drop its supercharged V6 in the United States after the 2004 model year but will continue to sell a supercharged V8.
AMG will drop its supercharged V6 in the United States after the 2004 model year but will continue to sell a supercharged V8.
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08-24-04, 08:59 PM
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i kinda had an inkling this was coming. i think the CL65 and the SL65 as well as the S,CL, and SL 600 v12 twin turbos were prototypes to see how feeseable it would be to move from SCs to turbos. although this would really increase the ability for aftermarket tunability as compared to the SC. with the SC you really couldnt do much to increase boost. a different pulley, some ECM tuning, and thats the extent you could really push the car to. hopefully now well see some 800 hp V12 Mercs... that would be sweet! I just hope this doesnt screw with their engine quality. Turbos, unlike superchargers, have a higher tendency for problems... 
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08-25-04, 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by joshthorsc
Turbocharging? Now mercedes is pn the right track. Only if toyoyta would bring back the turbocharged cars.
Turbocharging? Now mercedes is pn the right track. Only if toyoyta would bring back the turbocharged cars.
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08-26-04, 10:07 AM
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Given a choice, I would rather have a supercharger. Turbos, being powered by hot exaust gases, run at insane temperatures, (often 800-900 degrees) although the more modern water-cooled ones are not quite so hot. Turbos also have the nasty habit of spinning after the engine has cut off and the oil pressure has gone to zero...and this can (and often does) ruin the turbo bearings by starving them of oil and cooking and solidifying what oil there is left in the turbo. They generally need synthetic oil to prevent this, and even then, you need to idle the engine for at least a minute before you shut it down to keep the oil circulating. You also have to bring a cold turbo engine up to temperature and RPM slowly for the same reasons...to save the turbo bearings.
Most of the these problems do not exist with superchargers...they are run with belts off of the crankshaft, and start and stop with the engine.
Most of the these problems do not exist with superchargers...they are run with belts off of the crankshaft, and start and stop with the engine.
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