Another Infiniti bites the dust. Bye I-35.
09-04-04 | 03:07 PM
#16
Originally posted by G35_TX
[B]I don't see any issues with them not selling them. Infinitis sales are through the roof compared to how they use to be. They will never match Lexus in sales and neither will Nissan match Toyota. That is just a given. But the sales are definitely up there and they are selling. There are less Infiniti dealerships worldwide than Lexus, so that will hurt them in the sales area./B]
[B]I don't see any issues with them not selling them. Infinitis sales are through the roof compared to how they use to be. They will never match Lexus in sales and neither will Nissan match Toyota. That is just a given. But the sales are definitely up there and they are selling. There are less Infiniti dealerships worldwide than Lexus, so that will hurt them in the sales area./B]
Luxury Cars - May sales (vs last year)
1) Mercedes-Benz S-Class - 1,989 (9,281 +7.4%)
2) BMW 7-Series - 1,973 (8,358)
3) Lexus LS430 - 1,848 (8,003 -26.3%)
4) Lexus SC430 - 1,081 (4,285 -39.2%)
5) Jaguar XJ - 930 (2,386 -33.6%)
6) Mercedes-Benz CL-Class - 376 (1,685 -0.2%)
7) Infiniti Q45 - 174 (818 -40.8%)
The Q45 is a disaster given how new it is. So much R&D on that car, they must be taking a bath.
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09-04-04 | 03:08 PM
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Perfecet person to add their highly valued 2 cents. G35 and SC 430 owner. Please chime in. I want to predict he bought the G35 for looks and performance and the SC 430 for looks and luxury.
SexySC, I would like to ask would u pay 65k for an Infiniti? You clearly bought a 70k SC 430 and a 35k G35 (just estimating)
SexySC, I would like to ask would u pay 65k for an Infiniti? You clearly bought a 70k SC 430 and a 35k G35 (just estimating)
I don't know if I would pay US$65K for an Infiniti since they haven't made one at that price yet that appeals to me. I might if it offers as much features/performance with superior reliability than a $100K Benz/BMW, I never care too much about brand name, or I'll be driving a Mercedes now.
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09-04-04 | 03:26 PM
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I always liked the I35 and would prefer it over a Maxima any-day ... even the new ones. Sick - I remember when you posted an ad for the I35 (along with other heavily discounted Infiniti cars - including the Q) indicating a discounted price of $27,500. Whether you guys admit it or not - that's a hell of a lot of car for the money - more than you could get anywhere else. Sure the interior wasn't as nice as the ES, but who cares for that price? It sure was a lot quicker than an ES, a TL, TSX, Diamante ... etc.
And I knew Infiniti would probably be dropping this car with Nissan's having adopted a new platform this year for the Maxima. Oh well. I don't know if Infiniti has any real direction right now. But ... does it really matter ??
I believe that they are attempting to, after years of offering a line-up of slow-selling, often inferior products, take a real swing at grabbing some of the big-boys' numbers with the likes of the FX and the G35. The M35/45 is the next car facilitating this attempt/signaling this direction ... we'll see if it's as good as we all (or I) certainly hope it is. And who's to tell what Infiniti will introduce next (or refrain from introducing here in the States).
If the numbers are good - I don't see why every luxury or near-luxury company should be structured EXACTLY the same way ... sure the competition's incredible that way - and head-to head comparison tests get interesting - but if you only specialize at holding performance niches - then why not fill them exclusively? (Infiniti) ...
And if you specialize in everything - but traditionally lean toward luxury (Lexus) then keep on doing your thing.
M.
... etc. And I knew Infiniti would probably be dropping this car with Nissan's having adopted a new platform this year for the Maxima. Oh well. I don't know if Infiniti has any real direction right now. But ... does it really matter ??
I believe that they are attempting to, after years of offering a line-up of slow-selling, often inferior products, take a real swing at grabbing some of the big-boys' numbers with the likes of the FX and the G35. The M35/45 is the next car facilitating this attempt/signaling this direction ... we'll see if it's as good as we all (or I) certainly hope it is. And who's to tell what Infiniti will introduce next (or refrain from introducing here in the States).
If the numbers are good - I don't see why every luxury or near-luxury company should be structured EXACTLY the same way ... sure the competition's incredible that way - and head-to head comparison tests get interesting - but if you only specialize at holding performance niches - then why not fill them exclusively? (Infiniti) ...
And if you specialize in everything - but traditionally lean toward luxury (Lexus) then keep on doing your thing.
M.
09-04-04 | 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by whipimpin
I always liked the I35 and would prefer it over a Maxima any-day ... even the new ones. Sick - I remember when you posted an ad for the I35 (along with other heavily discounted Infiniti cars - including the Q) indicating a discounted price of $27,500. Whether you guys admit it or not - that's a hell of a lot of car for the money - more than you could get anywhere else. Sure the interior wasn't as nice as the ES, but who cares for that price? It sure was a lot quicker than an ES, a TL, TSX, Diamante ... etc.
And I knew Infiniti would probably be dropping this car with Nissan's having adopted a new platform this year for the Maxima. Oh well. I don't know if Infiniti has any real direction right now. But ... does it really matter ??
I believe that they are attempting to, after years of offering a line-up of slow-selling, often inferior products, take a real swing at grabbing some of the big-boys' numbers with the likes of the FX and the G35. The M35/45 is the next car facilitating this attempt/signaling this direction ... we'll see if it's as good as we all (or I) certainly hope it is. And who's to tell what Infiniti will introduce next (or refrain from introducing here in the States).
If the numbers are good - I don't see why every luxury or near-luxury company should be structured EXACTLY the same way ... sure the competition's incredible that way - and head-to head comparison tests get interesting - but if you only specialize at holding performance niches - then why not fill them exclusively? (Infiniti) ...
And if you specialize in everything - but traditionally lean toward luxury (Lexus) then keep on doing your thing.
M.
I always liked the I35 and would prefer it over a Maxima any-day ... even the new ones. Sick - I remember when you posted an ad for the I35 (along with other heavily discounted Infiniti cars - including the Q) indicating a discounted price of $27,500. Whether you guys admit it or not - that's a hell of a lot of car for the money - more than you could get anywhere else. Sure the interior wasn't as nice as the ES, but who cares for that price? It sure was a lot quicker than an ES, a TL, TSX, Diamante
... etc. And I knew Infiniti would probably be dropping this car with Nissan's having adopted a new platform this year for the Maxima. Oh well. I don't know if Infiniti has any real direction right now. But ... does it really matter ??
I believe that they are attempting to, after years of offering a line-up of slow-selling, often inferior products, take a real swing at grabbing some of the big-boys' numbers with the likes of the FX and the G35. The M35/45 is the next car facilitating this attempt/signaling this direction ... we'll see if it's as good as we all (or I) certainly hope it is. And who's to tell what Infiniti will introduce next (or refrain from introducing here in the States).
If the numbers are good - I don't see why every luxury or near-luxury company should be structured EXACTLY the same way ... sure the competition's incredible that way - and head-to head comparison tests get interesting - but if you only specialize at holding performance niches - then why not fill them exclusively? (Infiniti) ...
And if you specialize in everything - but traditionally lean toward luxury (Lexus) then keep on doing your thing.
M.
B/C for all intents and purposes, Lexus is just as sporty right now.
IS 300 vs G35s for sport
GS 300/430 vs M45 for sport
It's just that Lexus luxury overshadows these traits.
Oh and I35s are now 26k BRAND NEW here!!! Wow.
09-04-04 | 03:46 PM
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Nissan North America Reports August Sales [Sept. 1, 04]
GARDENA, Calif. (September 1, 2004) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) reported August total sales of 80,314 units for its Nissan and Infiniti divisions, a 7.3 percent increase versus August of last year.
INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS
- Sales for Infiniti, the luxury division of NNA, were down 6.2 percent from last August, with 11,285 units sold
- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 8.3 percent with 85,957 units sold
NNA INFORMATION
- Combined August sales for Nissan and Infiniti totaled 80,314 units, a 7.3 percent increase from last August
- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 22.9 percent with 646,396 units sold
In North America, NNA’s operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. More information on NNA and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissannews.com or by contacting the corporate media line at 310/771-5631
GARDENA, Calif. (September 1, 2004) – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) reported August total sales of 80,314 units for its Nissan and Infiniti divisions, a 7.3 percent increase versus August of last year.
INFINITI HIGHLIGHTS
- Sales for Infiniti, the luxury division of NNA, were down 6.2 percent from last August, with 11,285 units sold
- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 8.3 percent with 85,957 units sold
NNA INFORMATION
- Combined August sales for Nissan and Infiniti totaled 80,314 units, a 7.3 percent increase from last August
- Calendar year-to-date sales are up 22.9 percent with 646,396 units sold
In North America, NNA’s operations include automotive styling, engineering, consumer and corporate financing, sales and marketing, distribution and manufacturing. More information on NNA and the complete line of Nissan and Infiniti vehicles can be found online at www.nissannews.com or by contacting the corporate media line at 310/771-5631
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ISSAN DIVISION SALES
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August August Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD DSR
DSR
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2004 2003 % Change 2004 2003 % Change
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Nissan Division
Total 69,029 67,832 9.9 560,439 446,690 25.5
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Sentra 7,509 8,298 -2.3 74,436 62,778 18.6
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Altima 20,182 19,180 13.6 159,814 138,401 15.5
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Maxima 6,146 8,456 -21.5 49,030 62,961 -22.1
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350Z 2,364 3,775 -32.4 21,781 26,351 -17.3
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Total Car 36,201 39,709 -1.5 305,061 290,630 5.0
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Frontier 6,127 7,613 -13.1 46,823 42,859 9.2
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Xterra 5,303 6,750 -15.2 44,581 44,431 0.3
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Pathfinder 2,498 3,450 -21.8 19,319 24,130 -19.9
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Murano 5,248 6,188 -8.4 37,796 36,406 3.8
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Quest 3,318 4,122 -13.1 33,766 8,234 310.1
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Armada 2,871 N/A N/A 22,587 N/A N/A
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Titan 7,463 N/A N/A 50,506 N/A N/A
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Total Truck 32,828 28,123 26.1 255,378 156,060 63.6
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North American
Produced 58,918 54,329 17.1 481,517 333,555 44.4
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Car 33,836 35,844 1.9 283,254 238,031 19.0
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Truck 25,082 18,485 46.5 198,263 95,524 107.6
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Import 10,111 13,503 -19.1 78,922 113,135 -30.2
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Car 2,365 3,865 -33.9 21,807 52,599 -58.5
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Truck 7,746 9,638 -13.2 57,115 60,536 -5.7
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INFINITI DIVISION SALES
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August August Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD DSR
DSR
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2004 2003 % Change 2004 2003 % Change
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Infiniti Division
Total 11,285 12,988 -6.2 85,957 79,333 8.3
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I35 1,024 1,582 -30.1 8,229 10,032 -18.0
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G35 Sport Sedan 3,495 4,092 -7.8 28,098 24,230 16.0
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G35 Sport Coupe 2,636 3,182 -10.5 19,896 19,424 2.4
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M45 221 556 -57.1 1,536 3,040 -49.5
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Q45 162 259 -32.4 1,331 1,632 -18.4
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QX4 1 192 -99.4 10 4,852 -99.8
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QX56 1,181 N/A N/A 7,156 N/A N/A
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FX 2,565 3,125 -11.0 19,700 16,113 22.3
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Total Car 7,538 9,671 -15.8 59,091 58,368 1.2
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Total Truck 3,747 3,317 22.0 26,866 20,965 28.1
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COMBINED NISSAN AND INFINITI SALES
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August August Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD DSR
DSR
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2004 2003 % Change 2004 2003 % Change
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TOTAL VEHICLE 80,314 80,820 7.3 646,396 526,023 22.9
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Total Car 43,739 49,380 -4.3 364,152 348,998 4.3
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Total Truck 36,575 31,440 25.6 282,244 177,025 59.4
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Selling Days 25 27 205 205
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Calendar year to date sales for 2003 include sales of 10 Infiniti G20 vehicles.
All numbers include Hawaii. Percent changes based on DSR
09-04-04 | 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
If Infiniti really wants to be the Japanese BMW it wants to be, they need manuals in all their cars. Not just the G. That would seperate them a bunch.
B/C for all intents and purposes, Lexus is just as sporty right now.
IS 300 vs G35s for sport
GS 300/430 vs M45 for sport
It's just that Lexus luxury overshadows these traits.
Oh and I35s are now 26k BRAND NEW here!!! Wow.
If Infiniti really wants to be the Japanese BMW it wants to be, they need manuals in all their cars. Not just the G. That would seperate them a bunch.
B/C for all intents and purposes, Lexus is just as sporty right now.
IS 300 vs G35s for sport
GS 300/430 vs M45 for sport
It's just that Lexus luxury overshadows these traits.
Oh and I35s are now 26k BRAND NEW here!!! Wow.
G35 easily toasts an un-modified IS300 - both offer manual & good autos.
M45 (ought to) squeeze past GS430 (5.8 secs to 60 is FAAAST!) - 2x auto only
M35 toasts GS300 - again autos.
That's what I'm saying ... auto or manual - 0-60 and handling ability.
Though I totally agree with you about offering manuals in all the vehicles.
M.
09-04-04 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Oh and I35s are now 26k BRAND NEW here!!! Wow.
Oh and I35s are now 26k BRAND NEW here!!! Wow.
09-04-04 | 03:56 PM
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Originally posted by whipimpin
FX - zero competition (style, performance) Don't even mention the Cayenne - LOL - what a joke.
G35 easily toasts an un-modified IS300 - both offer manual & good autos.
M45 (ought to) squeeze past GS430 (5.8 secs to 60 is FAAAST!) - 2x auto only
M35 toasts GS300 - again autos.
That's what I'm saying ... auto or manual - 0-60 and handling ability.
Though I totally agree with you about offering manuals in all the vehicles.
M.
FX - zero competition (style, performance) Don't even mention the Cayenne - LOL - what a joke.
G35 easily toasts an un-modified IS300 - both offer manual & good autos.
M45 (ought to) squeeze past GS430 (5.8 secs to 60 is FAAAST!) - 2x auto only
M35 toasts GS300 - again autos.
That's what I'm saying ... auto or manual - 0-60 and handling ability.
Though I totally agree with you about offering manuals in all the vehicles.
M.
Just the feel of actually rowing the box for yourself would do wonders.
That's why I've come around with BMW...Even a 525i is avaliable with a proper 6-speed manual. Stellar.
Wow, if Infiniti stuck a manual in the M45, that would be something. But Infiniti said that even the G35x (which is a damn shame, cause the X is cool) doesn't have stick because marketing data shows little potential support, so that pretty much counts out the M45.
But I agree with 1Sick, Infiniti needs more manuals. The G35 variants are a good start, but they do indeed have a way to go if they want to be the Japanese BMW.
By the way, if I want a BMW, I'd buy the real thing.
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09-04-04 | 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by wantAnewLex
It's not just about speed. It's about feel. I can only imagine what it must feel like to have the IS's 2JZ lashed to a 5-speed manual, even though it's not blazing fast.
Just the feel of actually rowing the box for yourself would do wonders.
That's why I've come around with BMW...Even a 525i is avaliable with a proper 6-speed manual. Stellar.
Wow, if Infiniti stuck a manual in the M45, that would be something. But Infiniti said that even the G35x (which is a damn shame, cause the X is cool) doesn't have stick because marketing data shows little potential support, so that pretty much counts out the M45.
But I agree with 1Sick, Infiniti needs more manuals. The G35 variants are a good start, but they do indeed have a way to go if they want to be the Japanese BMW.
By the way, if I want a BMW, I'd buy the real thing.
It's not just about speed. It's about feel. I can only imagine what it must feel like to have the IS's 2JZ lashed to a 5-speed manual, even though it's not blazing fast.
Just the feel of actually rowing the box for yourself would do wonders.
That's why I've come around with BMW...Even a 525i is avaliable with a proper 6-speed manual. Stellar.
Wow, if Infiniti stuck a manual in the M45, that would be something. But Infiniti said that even the G35x (which is a damn shame, cause the X is cool) doesn't have stick because marketing data shows little potential support, so that pretty much counts out the M45.
But I agree with 1Sick, Infiniti needs more manuals. The G35 variants are a good start, but they do indeed have a way to go if they want to be the Japanese BMW.
By the way, if I want a BMW, I'd buy the real thing.
By the way, if i want a Mercedes, I'd buy the real thing.
09-04-04 | 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Xenthar
By the way, if i want a Mercedes, I'd buy the real thing.
By the way, if i want a Mercedes, I'd buy the real thing.
Seriously though, I were obviously a little older and had more $$$, I would probably seriously consider buying a G35c 6MT.
I really have tried to cut down on criticizing the G35 in recent months, because it's very very hard to fault for the money.
Especially considering the avaliable manual and also the RWD-bias AWD variant. Even the interior and Happy Halloween lighting have grown on me.
09-04-04 | 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by wantAnewLex
By the way, if I want a BMW, I'd buy the real thing.
By the way, if I want a BMW, I'd buy the real thing.
I don't know if you've heard that song - it has nothing to do with cars - but everytime I hear it I want to explode .... it's almost as retarded as the "white-t" song.
Anwyay,
Once the 3-series is replaced, I'm afraid I couldn't be seen in the spinning blue and white ... they look terrible.
Of course - if I wanted to race a car - then BMW might be the place to go ... I know that I could scrape the current 5-series' sheetmetal all across a guard-rail and not feel bad about it.
BMWs are like girls with nice bodies but a grill like a 300c ...
M.
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09-04-04 | 04:14 PM
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Originally posted by whipimpin
Nuck if you buck, boy ... nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck ...
I don't know if you've heard that song - it has nothing to do with cars - but everytime I hear it I want to explode .... it's almost as retarded as the "white-t" song.
Anwyay,
Once the 3-series is replaced, I'm afraid I couldn't be seen in the spinning blue and white ... they look terrible.
Of course - if I wanted to race a car - then BMW might be the place to go ... I know that I could scrape the current 5-series' sheetmetal all across a guard-rail and not feel bad about it.
M.
Nuck if you buck, boy ... nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck nuck ...
I don't know if you've heard that song - it has nothing to do with cars - but everytime I hear it I want to explode .... it's almost as retarded as the "white-t" song.
Anwyay,
Once the 3-series is replaced, I'm afraid I couldn't be seen in the spinning blue and white ... they look terrible.
Of course - if I wanted to race a car - then BMW might be the place to go ... I know that I could scrape the current 5-series' sheetmetal all across a guard-rail and not feel bad about it.
M.
Yes manuals rarely sell but it's the whoke point of offering it. Heck a manual M45 would SERIOUSLY attract many GS owners, IMO.
Oh, if I wanted a Lexus, I'd buy the real thing.
09-04-04 | 04:27 PM
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Originally posted by bitkahuna
Manuals (or at least clutches) on upmarket cars are slowly dying, being replaced with auto manuals or 'sequential' type boxes.
Manuals (or at least clutches) on upmarket cars are slowly dying, being replaced with auto manuals or 'sequential' type boxes.
09-04-04 | 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Man those songs are all the rage down here. Catchy but utterly pathetic wordplay. Club bangers. All kids too, all under 20. Hear the re-mix with Jermain Dupri? Hot verse, lol.
Yes manuals rarely sell but it's the whoke point of offering it. Heck a manual M45 would SERIOUSLY attract many GS owners, IMO.
Oh, if I wanted a Lexus, I'd buy the real thing.
Man those songs are all the rage down here. Catchy but utterly pathetic wordplay. Club bangers. All kids too, all under 20. Hear the re-mix with Jermain Dupri? Hot verse, lol.
Yes manuals rarely sell but it's the whoke point of offering it. Heck a manual M45 would SERIOUSLY attract many GS owners, IMO.
Oh, if I wanted a Lexus, I'd buy the real thing.
Thread turning .... The hottest song out right now, to me, is "Real Big" - Mannie Fresh.
I love that song.
I haven't heard the re-mix w/ Jermain Dupri ... or maybe I have ... I'll be lookin' out for it though.
M.