SecPole14

Yeah! Must have been the Daewoo I was thinking of...

Porsche is hard-up for $$$...They'll consult anyone who will pay them.

Remeber, Porsche design does not always = Porsche performance. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Porsche doesn't have much experience with 3600lb+ Japanese sedans.

lexusls430

Well lets all wait and see what this new machine is capable of doing.

DaveGS4

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And in my crystal ball I see..... nothing.

Guys let's wait and see. wantAnewLex is likely right based on past history of how Lexus tunes suspensions (soft), but unless he's gone out and driven the car or seen some comparison I haven't seen shared here yet, then he has absolutely no idea of knowing any better than the rest of us. It's all conjecture.

wantAnewLex - I'd ask you to try stop stating things in an inflammatory manner please. Sometimes the way they come across seems to be simply baiting for arguments.

Also, Danny Clement's statements were directed at primarily at the horsepower wars if I remember correctly. Performance <> Handling and he has stated that improving handling is one of his goals.

LexFather

I have seen and heard nothing about a Porsche tuned GS. Yes Porsche build possibly the best and certainly some of the best handling cars. Its not like Toyota cannot compete. They just choose not too.

I would figure LOTUS would do the tuning, since Toyota already sells the Celica engine to them for the new ELISE. And have heard of rumors of a 4.3 liter V-8 Lexus powered new Espirit.

LexusLuver

Toyota used to own Lotus, maybe they should buy them again. Lotus did the suspension for the MkI MR2

Yes Porsche is very good at building amazing chassis, but so are many Japanese automotive brands

Toyota - MKIV Supra raised the bar for high-performance cars, only lacking in steering feel
held the record for fastest tuner car at Nurburing for a number of yrs
amazing LeMans GT1 car, involved nearly for 20yrs LeMans before leaving in 99. Dominated in the WRC.
Honda - NSX no considerable chassis issues
in 2yrs dominated GT2 at LeMans , very embarassing/frightening for Porsche...decades of racing made obsolete
Nissan - Skyline GT-R's
Scoobie, and the EVO VIII

nthach

Don't forget the Holden 4-banger...

HKGS300

Where did you get that from ... I never heard that before.

The latest Lotus Elise has the Toyota 1.8 VVTi, but that is merely a business deal.

HKGS300

Porsche tuned ... if Porsche were to design the New GS suspension from scratch, it would handle awesome. However, I suspect that most of the GS suspension has already been fixed, so Porsche would only be able to put in different shocks, springs, sways, ... ,

Probably there will be a Sport version of the GS, the mainstream GS will likely just be Toyota/Lexus tuned ..

HKGS300

A very significant part of Porsche's revenue and profit is generated by consultancy business.

Many car manufacturers go to Porsche (or Lotus or Cosworth etc...) to have their car tuned.

But do not forget ... most Lexus drivers would rather go for a Lexus/Mercedes comfort-tuned suspension, than a sportcar Porsche-like suspension (e.g. stiffer but better handling suspension).

LexusLuver

Toyota owned 25% of Lotus at one time.

Iceman

Yes, like the GS being the fastest production sedan when introduced, and the fact that an L-Tuned GS will outcorner a 540. What WERE you thinking?

Gojirra99

WantanewLex, actually Denny Clements did said Lexus will be making more Sportier offerings to attract younger buyers & impove Lexus image. He also said that there will be performance versions eventually to compete with the AMG/M/S. Having a sportier tuned suspension is a neccessity in order to do that, & I can't believe a man in his position will announce that if that's not what they're working on, whether it is with Porsche or not.

BTW, that Porsche story was reported by Autospies that Porsche engineers were seen working on the new GS when they were testing it in Nurburgring a while ago. You decide whether you want to trust Autospies on this report.

Skinny

Actually I think that Porsche tuning story is true. Someone posted a link to what seemed like a legit news site about Toyota using Porsche to tune the suspension on the '06 GS. THis was over a year ago, so it could very well be true. Someone on Edmunds' TOwn Hall posted the link. Good luck finding it now but you can try.


Lotus has tuned suspensions for various cars, one of the best known is the long ago defunct Isuzu Impulse where the car proudly had a badge on the fenders "Tuned by Lotus".


And a company like Porsche or Lotus can only do so much for cheap cars like Isuzu's or Hyundai's. I mean you are comparing $20K cars suspensions with a $50K cars suspension. There is only soo much you can do with a basic(cheap) suspension setup and a relatively flimsy structure. So comparing Lotus or Porsche tuning suspensions on cheap-o cars and using that as justification of why they'll do a crappy job on a expensive car is ridiculous.

Gojirra99

If the link you're talking about is the same link that I also saw on Edmunds' Town Hall, then it's the link to AutoSpies.com .

Skinny

If that was the case, who knows if it's true....