THEY'RE COMING!! GS350, GS460, GS450h, IS220d, IS350, IS250, and JX470!
12-02-04, 10:25 AM
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So why would Lexus patent the names GS350 and GS460 to New Zealand...I don't know if all those abbreviations are correct then. I don't even think there are Lexi in New Zealand. I must not be getting something.
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12-02-04, 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by jet864
So why would Lexus patent the names GS350 and GS460 to New Zealand...I don't know if all those abbreviations are correct then. I don't even think there are Lexi in New Zealand. I must not be getting something.
James
So why would Lexus patent the names GS350 and GS460 to New Zealand...I don't know if all those abbreviations are correct then. I don't even think there are Lexi in New Zealand. I must not be getting something.
James
12-02-04, 01:02 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: THEY'RE COMING!! GS350, GS460, GS450h, IS220d, IS350, IS250, and JX470!
Originally posted by biker
Gotta read the fine print - most of those trademark registrations are outside of NA.
For the folks who don't get the obvious, US = US, CA = Canada, EU = western Europe, CZ = Czech Republic - they must have some funny rules there especially now that they are part of EU, AU = Australia, NZ = New Zealand, DE = Germany, etc.
The addition of the IS350 does not automatically mean the next IS will be IS350 - Lexus still has the IS300 name to use.
Gotta read the fine print - most of those trademark registrations are outside of NA.
For the folks who don't get the obvious, US = US, CA = Canada, EU = western Europe, CZ = Czech Republic - they must have some funny rules there especially now that they are part of EU, AU = Australia, NZ = New Zealand, DE = Germany, etc.
The addition of the IS350 does not automatically mean the next IS will be IS350 - Lexus still has the IS300 name to use.
And yes Lexus is coming out with the diesel IS220d. The best selling Lexus overseas will get even hotter.
I wonder how quiet it will be knowing that small displacment diesels are not refined.
What's a JX? I never heard of anything like that. Is it LF-X?
12-02-04, 01:22 PM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: THEY'RE COMING!! GS350, GS460, GS450h, IS220d, IS350, IS250, and JX470!
Originally posted by Vladi
What's a JX? I never heard of anything like that. Is it LF-X?
What's a JX? I never heard of anything like that. Is it LF-X?
The JX is definitely not the LF-X since the LF-X is car-based while JX is not.
12-02-04, 03:17 PM
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BTW, by registering the IS250 in the US it looks like Lexus is entering the sub-$30k market in the US, unless they're gonna use MB/BMW's pricing on C230K and 325i.
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.
12-02-04, 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by XeroK00L
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.
12-02-04, 05:15 PM
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Originally posted by XeroK00L
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.
Not good for Lexus' image IMHO since $30k is still considered the minimum price that a luxury car should cost in the US.
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12-02-04, 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by SexySC
From what I've heard, the IS250 is a 6 with >200+hp, so my guess is it should be right at the $30K mark.
From what I've heard, the IS250 is a 6 with >200+hp, so my guess is it should be right at the $30K mark.
If the new IS250 is priced at $30k people will get the sense that they're getting less for the same money.
12-02-04, 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by XeroK00L
Not likely IMO. The base IS300 sits right at the $30k mark today.
If the new IS250 is priced at $30k people will get the sense that they're getting less for the same money.
Not likely IMO. The base IS300 sits right at the $30k mark today.
If the new IS250 is priced at $30k people will get the sense that they're getting less for the same money.
12-02-04, 05:46 PM
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BTW, my guess is the IS250 will beat or at least match the performance of the current IS300, plus equipped with more new gadgets, so it isn't so bad that it's the same price as the current IS300.
12-02-04, 06:29 PM
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Thanks for clearing the NZ thing up for me.
I agree. If it's a 2.5L V6 (Like the 1jz was a 2.5L I6) and it's making over 200 hp it's power will be right there with the current IS and odds are it'll have more advancements standard on it. Also, the lighter weight will make it most likely handle better and be a little more fun to throw around in the corners. I think the key here though is that it has to be a 6 cylinder engine. Lexus won't get by pricing a 4 banger starting at 30, no way.
James
Originally posted by SexySC
BTW, my guess is the IS250 will beat or at least match the performance of the current IS300, plus equipped with more new gadgets, so it isn't so bad that it's the same price as the current IS300.
BTW, my guess is the IS250 will beat or at least match the performance of the current IS300, plus equipped with more new gadgets, so it isn't so bad that it's the same price as the current IS300.
James
12-03-04, 01:36 AM
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: THEY'RE COMING!! GS350, GS460, GS450h, IS220d, IS350, IS250, and
Originally posted by Vladi
Actually CZ stands for Switzerland not Czech Republic, they are part of EU. All these TMs have been registered via Madrid Protocol process so it automaticlly applies to all the selected regions and countries that are within it (I think around 65 countries total).
Actually CZ stands for Switzerland not Czech Republic, they are part of EU. All these TMs have been registered via Madrid Protocol process so it automaticlly applies to all the selected regions and countries that are within it (I think around 65 countries total).
12-03-04, 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by biker
You got a few things a bit off there. CH is for Switzerland. How do I know - I live there!!! And BTW CH is not part of EU. Look at any map of EU and you'll see an island in the middle of it - that's Switzerland.
You got a few things a bit off there. CH is for Switzerland. How do I know - I live there!!! And BTW CH is not part of EU. Look at any map of EU and you'll see an island in the middle of it - that's Switzerland.
Sorry for the mix up and my apologies to all the Swiss people
I do have a lot of friends in Switzerland, they come visit me from time to time here in South Florida. I have never been in Switz before but I heard it's a cool place. I'll go one day.
12-03-04, 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by SexySC
So you think it would be priced at or below the 4 cylinder TSX then ?
So you think it would be priced at or below the 4 cylinder TSX then ?
To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.
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12-03-04, 03:30 PM
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Originally posted by XeroK00L
Well, just keep in mind that Lexus has always been undercutting the prices of MB/BMW's offerings with engines of similar displacements. With C230K and 325i starting at $30k, I just don't see how Lexus will price the IS250 at also $30k.
To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.
Well, just keep in mind that Lexus has always been undercutting the prices of MB/BMW's offerings with engines of similar displacements. With C230K and 325i starting at $30k, I just don't see how Lexus will price the IS250 at also $30k.
To the perception of the regular people, an IS"250" is simply "less" than an IS"300" and there'll be simply no way they'll pay the same amount of money for something "less", particularly when it's right in the name.