Seriously, w/o bias bmw745i or LS430CL 04'
12-09-04 | 10:21 AM
#16
Originally posted by ICEBERGS
iam a huge lexus fan and I by far think the LS430 is one of the best luxury vehicles on the market. The 745 however,in my opinion, is just an inch above it. WIth the 745 u get the best of both worlds, luxury and the performance BMW's are known for. Personally I would go with the 745 that car just has a presence that commands attention, why the LS430 is just a little too conservative when side by side!!!
iam a huge lexus fan and I by far think the LS430 is one of the best luxury vehicles on the market. The 745 however,in my opinion, is just an inch above it. WIth the 745 u get the best of both worlds, luxury and the performance BMW's are known for. Personally I would go with the 745 that car just has a presence that commands attention, why the LS430 is just a little too conservative when side by side!!!
I've been contemplating this alooooot too.
However, the LS would be less $$$ if you don't get the UL; I can live without the backseat gadgets.
There's no doubt that the LS will be more reliable than the 7.
Here, the decision is going to be more "emotional" : What do you want? What is going to make you happy?
Personally, I would lease a 745 b/c maintenance will be $$$ when warranty runs out. And when it starts to give me too much headache, I'll come crawling back to the LS
A friend of mine has an 04 745i and so far, no problems
Will you be buying or leasing? What is price that they're offering? Keep us updated.
12-09-04 | 10:45 AM
#17
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The 7 is a fine car but the LS 430 is the finest sedan on the road. This is BEFORE the 2004 updates
February 11, 2002
AMCI Declares Lexus LS 430 "Finest Luxury Sedan in America."
Comprehensive and independent study by nation's leading auto testing firm includes exhaustive evaluation of five top luxury vehicles
February 11, 2002, Los Angeles, Calif. - For consumers looking for the "finest" things in life, the nation's leading automotive testing company has some news to consider when choosing an automobile. After completing a rigorous 193-test study, Automotive Marketing Consultants Incorporated (AMCI) has declared the Lexus LS 430 the "Finest Luxury Sedan in America."
"It was an extremely complicated testing program because we evaluated everything that would be important to a potential buyer," said George Doganis, AMCI's lead testing engineer. "The expectation is that luxury cars have to be excellent in every aspect; having fine appointments isn't enough. Luxury cars also have to excel in performance, utility and quality."
In fact, AMCI's three-phase testing program, which required more than one year and over 4,000 man-hours to complete, is considered unparalleled in the automotive industry. AMCI drives and evaluates more cars each year than the federal government, car enthusiast magazines or any other American organization.
The first phase consisted of an intense study of published materials and internal AMCI research of all luxury sedans sold in America with V8 or V12 engines produced in quantities of 500 or more. The ten vehicles selected for testing were: the 2000 Rolls-Royce Silver Seraph, 2000 Bentley Arnage Red Label, 2001 Jaguar Vanden Plas Supercharged, 2001 Lexus LS 430, 2001 Mercedes Benz S600, 2001 BMW 750 iL, 2002 Infiniti Q45, 2001 Audi A8L, 2001 Lincoln Continental, and the 2001 Cadillac Seville STS.
In phase two, this field of ten was tested on a point system through a wide array of evaluations, both on the road and in the research lab.
Results of the second phase narrowed the playing field to five luxury sedans for phase three. The competition was tough, pitting the Audi A8L, BMW 750 iL, Infiniti Q45, Mercedes Benz S600, and Lexus LS 430 against each other in a total of 193 arduous tests arranged in seven different categories, including Performance, Active Safety and Sportiness; Passive Safety and Advanced Technology; Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH); Maintenance, Economy and Warranty; Ergonomics, Roominess and Utility; Fit and Finish; and Luxury, Comfort and Convenience Features.
"We entered this three-phase program with an absolute commitment to impartial, objective and accurate testing, and we believe our protocol reflects that," Doganis said. "In fact, AMCI measured only those things that can be objectively measured. For areas such as leather, paint and wood quality, that are subjective, we scoured the nation and brought in a panel of top experts to add another layer of objectivity in our testing."
Among the independent findings:
* The LS 430 bested the BMW 750 iL in the tough 50-0 mph braking test on wet pavement. The BMW took 95.3 feet to reach a stop from 50 mph, while the LS 430 stopped more than three feet sooner.
* With a decibel reading of just 31.1 at idle in the front seat, the LS 430 was the quietest car in the competition, and the most tranquil vehicle that AMCI has ever tested (for comparison, background sound in a typical library is about 40 decibels).
* For fit and finish, Lexus' attention to detail stood out. For example, the LS 430 has no exposed screw heads and fasteners in its cabin. The Rolls-Royce Silver Seraph has 60.
The Lexus LS 430 scored well in every category and finished first in three of seven test categories: 1) Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH), 2) Ergonomics, Roominess and Utility, and 3) Fit and Finish.
Who is AMCI
AMCI uses extensive industry knowledge and its Comparative Vehicle Assessment (CVA®) to help manufacturers better understand their vehicles and those of the competition. After thoroughly exploring a vehicle's attributes, and understanding where and how it excels, AMCI puts it through rigorous testing for results that consumers can use in their purchasing decisions.
February 11, 2002
AMCI Declares Lexus LS 430 "Finest Luxury Sedan in America."
Comprehensive and independent study by nation's leading auto testing firm includes exhaustive evaluation of five top luxury vehicles
February 11, 2002, Los Angeles, Calif. - For consumers looking for the "finest" things in life, the nation's leading automotive testing company has some news to consider when choosing an automobile. After completing a rigorous 193-test study, Automotive Marketing Consultants Incorporated (AMCI) has declared the Lexus LS 430 the "Finest Luxury Sedan in America."
"It was an extremely complicated testing program because we evaluated everything that would be important to a potential buyer," said George Doganis, AMCI's lead testing engineer. "The expectation is that luxury cars have to be excellent in every aspect; having fine appointments isn't enough. Luxury cars also have to excel in performance, utility and quality."
In fact, AMCI's three-phase testing program, which required more than one year and over 4,000 man-hours to complete, is considered unparalleled in the automotive industry. AMCI drives and evaluates more cars each year than the federal government, car enthusiast magazines or any other American organization.
The first phase consisted of an intense study of published materials and internal AMCI research of all luxury sedans sold in America with V8 or V12 engines produced in quantities of 500 or more. The ten vehicles selected for testing were: the 2000 Rolls-Royce Silver Seraph, 2000 Bentley Arnage Red Label, 2001 Jaguar Vanden Plas Supercharged, 2001 Lexus LS 430, 2001 Mercedes Benz S600, 2001 BMW 750 iL, 2002 Infiniti Q45, 2001 Audi A8L, 2001 Lincoln Continental, and the 2001 Cadillac Seville STS.
In phase two, this field of ten was tested on a point system through a wide array of evaluations, both on the road and in the research lab.
Results of the second phase narrowed the playing field to five luxury sedans for phase three. The competition was tough, pitting the Audi A8L, BMW 750 iL, Infiniti Q45, Mercedes Benz S600, and Lexus LS 430 against each other in a total of 193 arduous tests arranged in seven different categories, including Performance, Active Safety and Sportiness; Passive Safety and Advanced Technology; Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH); Maintenance, Economy and Warranty; Ergonomics, Roominess and Utility; Fit and Finish; and Luxury, Comfort and Convenience Features.
"We entered this three-phase program with an absolute commitment to impartial, objective and accurate testing, and we believe our protocol reflects that," Doganis said. "In fact, AMCI measured only those things that can be objectively measured. For areas such as leather, paint and wood quality, that are subjective, we scoured the nation and brought in a panel of top experts to add another layer of objectivity in our testing."
Among the independent findings:
* The LS 430 bested the BMW 750 iL in the tough 50-0 mph braking test on wet pavement. The BMW took 95.3 feet to reach a stop from 50 mph, while the LS 430 stopped more than three feet sooner.
* With a decibel reading of just 31.1 at idle in the front seat, the LS 430 was the quietest car in the competition, and the most tranquil vehicle that AMCI has ever tested (for comparison, background sound in a typical library is about 40 decibels).
* For fit and finish, Lexus' attention to detail stood out. For example, the LS 430 has no exposed screw heads and fasteners in its cabin. The Rolls-Royce Silver Seraph has 60.
The Lexus LS 430 scored well in every category and finished first in three of seven test categories: 1) Noise, Vibration and Harshness (NVH), 2) Ergonomics, Roominess and Utility, and 3) Fit and Finish.
Who is AMCI
AMCI uses extensive industry knowledge and its Comparative Vehicle Assessment (CVA®) to help manufacturers better understand their vehicles and those of the competition. After thoroughly exploring a vehicle's attributes, and understanding where and how it excels, AMCI puts it through rigorous testing for results that consumers can use in their purchasing decisions.
12-09-04 | 11:09 AM
#20
I drove them both side by side this summer at the lexus driving event ini Atlanta. The LS is a better driving and handling car hnads down. Driving the 745 while not as bad as the S500 which I also drove has the feeling of driving a boat. It is lumbering, soft, unresponsive, no road feel. It does look nice though and has more status I would say. The LS430 is tight responsive feels sporty plus all that consumer reports stuff. The 745 seems to have a record of being in the shop pretty frequently.
12-09-04 | 11:18 AM
#21
OH and my wife also drove both she is the one that was actually looking for a new car, she also liked the LS over the 745. She felt that the 745 felt way to big to use her words. The only way for you to know is to drive them both.
12-09-04 | 12:26 PM
#23
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Thead
Interesting thread from the BMW forum:
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
12-09-04 | 12:37 PM
#24
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Re: Thead
Originally posted by DDLexus
Interesting thread from the BMW forum:
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
Interesting thread from the BMW forum:
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
http://www.bmw-forums.com/forum/inde...24467&hl=ls430
12-09-04 | 12:39 PM
#25
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These links might help you...
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...hreadid=142308
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...hlight=BMW+745
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...hreadid=142308
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...hlight=BMW+745
12-09-04 | 01:06 PM
#26
I would pick the LS430. Jusst a more reliable car. Like everyone had mentioned above. The BMW (Break My Wallet) cars are known to have mechanical and electrical problem. If i spend that much money on a car, i would want to drive me car as much as possible to enjoy it.. Not visiting the dealer service department quite often.
LS430 gets my VOTE.
Tommy
LS430 gets my VOTE.
Tommy
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12-09-04 | 01:29 PM
#29
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If it wasn't for the horrible gimmick electronics in the 7 series, it would definitely be a great choice. I-Drive and all the other things BMW messed up that car with wouldn't even make it a worthy choice in my books.
The LS430 is a fine car. That would be my choice.
The LS430 is a fine car. That would be my choice.
