The Ruination of the BMW Brand ?
12-13-04, 05:38 PM
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I dunno, I would definitely buy it. In fact, my perfect car line-up would be a 125i (or M1) hatchback as a daily driver and a Mazdaspeed Miata for the weekends. I don't need a huge car as I'm usually the only one driving. I think a 3-series is too big for most people as a daily driver, and I include myself in that generalization. Don't even get me started on people driving Suburbans as their dailies...
Here's how I see my obsession with the 1er. I'd want it in hatchback form because it's got more cargo capacity than the comparable sedan/coupe. I'd want its 4 doors because it's more convenient for passengers/cargo, and I'd want RWD because it handles better and is lighter than an AWD alternative.
So I guess if you're just looking for a fun quality car and don't care about name (or high price prestige), it's a nice car. It's first on my list to buy for my next car (well, first after the Miata, of course!).
Here's how I see my obsession with the 1er. I'd want it in hatchback form because it's got more cargo capacity than the comparable sedan/coupe. I'd want its 4 doors because it's more convenient for passengers/cargo, and I'd want RWD because it handles better and is lighter than an AWD alternative.
So I guess if you're just looking for a fun quality car and don't care about name (or high price prestige), it's a nice car. It's first on my list to buy for my next car (well, first after the Miata, of course!).
12-13-04, 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by Incendiary
Here's how I see my obsession with the 1er. I'd want it in hatchback form because it's got more cargo capacity than the comparable sedan/coupe. I'd want its 4 doors because it's more convenient for passengers/cargo, and I'd want RWD because it handles better and is lighter than an AWD alternative.
Here's how I see my obsession with the 1er. I'd want it in hatchback form because it's got more cargo capacity than the comparable sedan/coupe. I'd want its 4 doors because it's more convenient for passengers/cargo, and I'd want RWD because it handles better and is lighter than an AWD alternative.
Anyway,
Any of the turbo Subarus = cheaper than 1-Series and have more street cred, quality, and far more performance.
I admit a RWD import car with 4 doors for that price (I'm guessing it will start around $25K) is tempting, but it has far too many vices which tip the scale unfavorably despite rear-drive.
12-13-04, 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by GS3Tek
I don't condone street or even street race, just fast enough to the past the one who's driving 55 on the fast lane.
I don't condone street or even street race, just fast enough to the past the one who's driving 55 on the fast lane.
Anyhow...back to the 1-series. Has BMW announced where it will be first displayed publically? Detroit as usual? Anybody know?
12-13-04, 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by wantAnewLex
Did you read the review? Space is generally lacking.
Anyway,
Any of the turbo Subarus = cheaper than 1-Series and have more street cred, quality, and far more performance.
I admit a RWD import car with 4 doors for that price (I'm guessing it will start around $25K) is tempting, but it has far too many vices which tip the scale unfavorably despite rear-drive.
Did you read the review? Space is generally lacking.
Anyway,
Any of the turbo Subarus = cheaper than 1-Series and have more street cred, quality, and far more performance.
I admit a RWD import car with 4 doors for that price (I'm guessing it will start around $25K) is tempting, but it has far too many vices which tip the scale unfavorably despite rear-drive.
12-13-04, 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by mmarshall
You often CAN'T do 55 in ANY of the lanes either in parts of CA where you are or here where I live in the D.C-Baltimore area. Sometimes you are lucky to average 15-20.
Anyhow...back to the 1-series. Has BMW announced where it will be first displayed publically? Detroit as usual? Anybody know?
You often CAN'T do 55 in ANY of the lanes either in parts of CA where you are or here where I live in the D.C-Baltimore area. Sometimes you are lucky to average 15-20.
Anyhow...back to the 1-series. Has BMW announced where it will be first displayed publically? Detroit as usual? Anybody know?
I'm taking a road trip from Baltimore to Detroit in Jan to see the NAIAS car show, so I'll let you know around Jan 17 or so.
12-13-04, 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by mmarshall
You often CAN'T do 55 in ANY of the lanes either in parts of CA where you are or here where I live in the D.C-Baltimore area. Sometimes you are lucky to average 15-20.
Anyhow...back to the 1-series. Has BMW announced where it will be first displayed publically? Detroit as usual? Anybody know?
You often CAN'T do 55 in ANY of the lanes either in parts of CA where you are or here where I live in the D.C-Baltimore area. Sometimes you are lucky to average 15-20.
Anyhow...back to the 1-series. Has BMW announced where it will be first displayed publically? Detroit as usual? Anybody know?
Wow! 15-20??? Talk about gridlock! So no sense of getting an SL65
12-13-04, 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by GS3Tek
So-cal and I'm not talking about rush-hours. Ask any so-cals and they will tell you
Wow! 15-20??? Talk about gridlock! So no sense of getting an SL65
So-cal and I'm not talking about rush-hours. Ask any so-cals and they will tell you
Wow! 15-20??? Talk about gridlock! So no sense of getting an SL65
12-13-04, 09:18 PM
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well i am not sure, maybe you just need to find a good time to drive. i lived in LA for about 6 yrs before i moved to norcal, i dind't really get into traffic much. get the right time to drive and it's all good 
and nop, i put my gs4 into VERY good use in socal
and nop, i put my gs4 into VERY good use in socal
12-14-04, 12:09 AM
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This is just brand dilution. I hope lexus doesnt offer this kind of crap, thank god toyota and scion has their backs, taking care of the economy car segment. I am going to laughing out loud whoever I see driving this.
Robert
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12-14-04, 03:18 AM
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Originally posted by iloveGS300
This is just brand dilution. I hope lexus doesnt offer this kind of crap, thank god toyota and scion has their backs, taking care of the economy car segment. I am going to laughing out loud whoever I see driving this.
Robert
This is just brand dilution. I hope lexus doesnt offer this kind of crap, thank god toyota and scion has their backs, taking care of the economy car segment. I am going to laughing out loud whoever I see driving this.
Robert
They might think the same of whatever you're driving.
12-14-04, 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by mmarshall
How do you know they won't be laughing right BACK? They might think the same of whatever you're driving.
How do you know they won't be laughing right BACK?
They might think the same of whatever you're driving.
I worry that when lexus releases the "below the ES" car that they are very careful with how they do it. Hopefully they will just can the idea or turn it into a scion/toyota.
As for the 1... I always thought the 318's were (as my mom calls them) "Jr. Executive Cars" made for people who get there first big break and go out and by a beamer.
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Originally Posted by Clarkson
The 1-series will be the ruination of the BMW brand. Of that I have no doubt...
And it’s why I’m choosing the words for my conclusion with even more care than usual. So here goes. The 1-series is crap.
And it’s why I’m choosing the words for my conclusion with even more care than usual. So here goes. The 1-series is crap.
Originally Posted by Clarkson
The fact of the matter is this. The 135 coupé is the best car BMW makes. I have no hesitation at all, then, in giving this long-awaited return to form the rare accolade of five stars.
04-12-08, 01:25 PM
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