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Well it's not that bad but in a recent interview he commented on Lexus sales and remarked that they're merely 'Toyotas with a Lexus' badge, what an insightful and careful analysis
Sounds like sour grapes to me, because Lexus has better sales figures than Audi in Australia.
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Audi chief drives hard sales push
Gordon Lomas
15dec04
AUDI is about to become a lot meaner in Australia.
Newly appointed Audi Australia managing director, Joerg Hofmann, is on a mission to double the company's national sales within five years.
Hofmann's brief in strategic markets elsewhere in the world has been as a "fixer", and he has the runs on the board.
A few hours after landing in Sydney from Germany, Hofmann was talking tough, unhappy about Audis sliding sales – 3224 year-to-date, compared with 4010 to the end of November last year.
"I'm not here to consolidate, I'm here to turn things around," Hofmann says.
Chief rivals BMW are sitting on 13,892 sales for the year-to-date, an increase of almost 2000 on 2003, while Mercedes-Benz have dropped to 16,138, compared with 17,545 last year.
Lexus is bubbling along with 4657, up almost 600 on 2003 figures.
Hofmann says that it is unacceptable for Audi to be No. 4 among the premium makers.
"Lexus relies completely on the RX330 and they are not a premium range as we know it," a tough-talking Hofmann said.
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it and I believe it is cheating the customers."
Hofmann says that the silver bullet for Audi will be its ability to source the Q7 SUV, that debuted in recent seasons internationally as the Pikes Peak concept, early for Australian customers.
The Q7 is based on a longer platform of the Porsche Cayenne and VW Touareg and will be launched at the Frankfurt Motor Show next September.
Currently Australia is about nine months behind Europe with product launches, but under Hofmann's push it will join the UK and be within three months of being released on the continent.
"We need the Q7 and we will get it hopefully sometime in 2006-2007," Hofmann said.
Audi says that a B-segment coupe is also under development and once that joins the wagon the company will be ready to strike in volume sales and "go right past Lexus."
What a douche[
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Audi chief drives hard sales push
Gordon Lomas
15dec04
AUDI is about to become a lot meaner in Australia.
Newly appointed Audi Australia managing director, Joerg Hofmann, is on a mission to double the company's national sales within five years.
Hofmann's brief in strategic markets elsewhere in the world has been as a "fixer", and he has the runs on the board.
A few hours after landing in Sydney from Germany, Hofmann was talking tough, unhappy about Audis sliding sales – 3224 year-to-date, compared with 4010 to the end of November last year.
"I'm not here to consolidate, I'm here to turn things around," Hofmann says.
Chief rivals BMW are sitting on 13,892 sales for the year-to-date, an increase of almost 2000 on 2003, while Mercedes-Benz have dropped to 16,138, compared with 17,545 last year.
Lexus is bubbling along with 4657, up almost 600 on 2003 figures.
Hofmann says that it is unacceptable for Audi to be No. 4 among the premium makers.
"Lexus relies completely on the RX330 and they are not a premium range as we know it," a tough-talking Hofmann said.
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it and I believe it is cheating the customers."
Hofmann says that the silver bullet for Audi will be its ability to source the Q7 SUV, that debuted in recent seasons internationally as the Pikes Peak concept, early for Australian customers.
The Q7 is based on a longer platform of the Porsche Cayenne and VW Touareg and will be launched at the Frankfurt Motor Show next September.
Currently Australia is about nine months behind Europe with product launches, but under Hofmann's push it will join the UK and be within three months of being released on the continent.
"We need the Q7 and we will get it hopefully sometime in 2006-2007," Hofmann said.
Audi says that a B-segment coupe is also under development and once that joins the wagon the company will be ready to strike in volume sales and "go right past Lexus."
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Ya what a total bone smoker. Saying a lexus is a fancey toyota isn't cool anymore. Lexus has distanced themselves so much that excuse dosn't work. Once lexus shows up in japan then it'll all be lex's and all the lex haters can suck the saggiest part of my *****. Everytime I hear someone say "a lexus is fancey toyota" I just want to kick the **** out of them.
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Originally posted by MoFunk
Well it's not that bad but in a recent interview he commented on Lexus sales and remarked that they're merely 'Toyotas with a Lexus' badge, what an insightful and careful analysis
Sounds like sour grapes to me, because Lexus has better sales figures than Audi in Australia.
Hofmann says that it is unacceptable for Audi to be No. 4 among the premium makers.
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it and I believe it is cheating the customers."
Well it's not that bad but in a recent interview he commented on Lexus sales and remarked that they're merely 'Toyotas with a Lexus' badge, what an insightful and careful analysis
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Hofmann says that it is unacceptable for Audi to be No. 4 among the premium makers.
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it and I believe it is cheating the customers."
Three answers, Mr. Chairman.....
Get a Life.
Get a Brain.
Get over it.
Are not MANY Audis simply rebadged VW's?
You're in 4th place for a reason.....poor reliability.
Nothing about a Toyota or Lexus cheats the customers. You don't get to be #1 by building junk.
So...I will not ask you....... I Will TELL you. Get over it.
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Originally posted by wantAnewLex
Joerg Hofmann was abused as a child.
Joerg Hofmann was abused as a child.
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That's the best this stooge can do? His company sales are off & he insults Lexus?
whatever! so is it fair to say that Audi's are VW's with many more problems then? IE: the TT is built on the Golf / Jetta platform isn't it?? So he can put that in his 'hooper' & smoke it!
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Gee, you guys are tough. Cut the guy some slack. He's trying to increase sales of Audis that the Austrailian customer don't seem to want very much. And all he's got is his big fat mouth to do it. I actually look pretty favorably on Audis but if he obviously hasn't figured out that for adult enthusiasts and savvy consumers, being a Toyota is a very good thing, then maybe the only thing Audi can think of to increase sales is to give their managers a big open mouth like they just did to their cars.
I surprise most Eurosnobs when I tell them that one of the bigger reasons I own Lexus is exactly because they are Toyota built. As long as the Germans fail to recognize that it isn't a weakness for a Toyota part to wind up in a Lexus as much as it is unbelievable that Lexus level parts are in Toyotas they will keep selling cars where the biggest benefit is a badge. To the Germans, a cheap car is a cheap car. To Toyota, a less expensive car is just that. But each consumer deserves a quality piece regardless of price. Then again, maybe the Germans do understand this with their own twist. They can make cheaply built cars regardless of the selling price.
I surprise most Eurosnobs when I tell them that one of the bigger reasons I own Lexus is exactly because they are Toyota built. As long as the Germans fail to recognize that it isn't a weakness for a Toyota part to wind up in a Lexus as much as it is unbelievable that Lexus level parts are in Toyotas they will keep selling cars where the biggest benefit is a badge. To the Germans, a cheap car is a cheap car. To Toyota, a less expensive car is just that. But each consumer deserves a quality piece regardless of price. Then again, maybe the Germans do understand this with their own twist. They can make cheaply built cars regardless of the selling price.
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"Lexus relies completely on the RX330 and they are not a premium range as we know it," a tough-talking Hofmann said.
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Originally posted by RON430
Gee, you guys are tough. Cut the guy some slack. He's trying to increase sales of Audis that the Austrailian customer don't seem to want very much. And all he's got is his big fat mouth to do it. I actually look pretty favorably on Audis but if he obviously hasn't figured out that for adult enthusiasts and savvy consumers, being a Toyota is a very good thing, then maybe the only thing Audi can think of to increase sales is to give their managers a big open mouth like they just did to their cars.
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Gee, you guys are tough. Cut the guy some slack. He's trying to increase sales of Audis that the Austrailian customer don't seem to want very much. And all he's got is his big fat mouth to do it. I actually look pretty favorably on Audis but if he obviously hasn't figured out that for adult enthusiasts and savvy consumers, being a Toyota is a very good thing, then maybe the only thing Audi can think of to increase sales is to give their managers a big open mouth like they just did to their cars.
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We CL members are not to blame for his statements. HE is the one insulting our Lexus vehicles.....probably the best-made cars in the world. Yes, SOME Lexus products are more-or-less rebadged Toyotas...but they usually have Toyotas beat in refinement, interiors, sophistication, and warranty coverage.
He reminds me of a couple of other automotive CEO's over the years who also tended to put their feet in their mouths every time they opened them.....................Ford's Henry Ford II, Chrysler's Lee Iacocca, and GM's Roger Smith. I remember them well. I used to refer to them as the Three Stooges of the auto business. Unlike Ford, Iacocca was a sharp buisnessman.......you had to give him credit there....... but he said a lot of foolish, inaccurate, and misleading things in public. Smith, unfortunately, cared absolutely NOTHING for automobiles...or quality. EVERYTHING was the bottom line.
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Originally posted by mmarshall
No...it's not nesessarily us.....it is the MARKET that is tough. Cut the guy some slack? He probably wears custom-cut and tailored ones NOW.
We CL members are not to blame for his statements. HE is the one insulting our Lexus vehicles.....probably the best-made cars in the world. Yes, SOME Lexus products are more-or-less rebadged Toyotas...but they usually have Toyotas beat in refinement, interiors, sophistication, and warranty coverage.
He reminds me of a couple of other automotive CEO's over the years who also tended to put their feet in their mouths every time they opened them.....................Ford's Henry Ford II, Chrysler's Lee Iacocca, and GM's Roger Smith. I remember them well. I used to refer to them as the Three Stooges of the auto business. Unlike Ford, Iacocca was a sharp buisnessman.......you had to give him credit there....... but he said a lot of foolish, inaccurate, and misleading things in public. Smith, unfortunately, cared absolutely NOTHING for automobiles...or quality. EVERYTHING was the bottom line.
No...it's not nesessarily us.....it is the MARKET that is tough. Cut the guy some slack? He probably wears custom-cut and tailored ones NOW.
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We CL members are not to blame for his statements. HE is the one insulting our Lexus vehicles.....probably the best-made cars in the world. Yes, SOME Lexus products are more-or-less rebadged Toyotas...but they usually have Toyotas beat in refinement, interiors, sophistication, and warranty coverage.
He reminds me of a couple of other automotive CEO's over the years who also tended to put their feet in their mouths every time they opened them.....................Ford's Henry Ford II, Chrysler's Lee Iacocca, and GM's Roger Smith. I remember them well. I used to refer to them as the Three Stooges of the auto business. Unlike Ford, Iacocca was a sharp buisnessman.......you had to give him credit there....... but he said a lot of foolish, inaccurate, and misleading things in public. Smith, unfortunately, cared absolutely NOTHING for automobiles...or quality. EVERYTHING was the bottom line.
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Well...you notice I did not include Lutz in my list of stooges. He has, IMO, done a pretty good job so far. He is a FAR better manager than Roger Smith could ever hope to be...or even the GM guys like Bob Stempel that followed him. Lutz is a true car enthusiast. He cares about the product...not just the bottomline.
I agree that the GTO's styling last year was less than perfect. Still...it was a start. It WAS a GTO....a REAL, V8, rear-drive, bonafide, smoke-the-tires Goat. When was the last time you saw THAT? The last GTO, in 1974, was a joke....a redone Chevy Nova. And why pan the bland GTO styling? In 1964-65, the years that first put the car on the map, it was the SAME thing....bland styling. The car was just a redone Pontiac Tempest....nothing to really look at. Yet people still loved it. The Beach Boys and Jan and Dean sang about it.
The Lutz influence is also seen in the new Cadillac XLR. If there is anything GM still needs to really work on, it is still quality control....they still are not up to Japanese levels yet.
Now...if you want to see a guy who has done even more damage than the Stooges I mentioned............ (even though he is not a CEO )...........look no further than Chris Bangle. He has taken the Ultimate Driving Machine and made it the Ultimate Computer Machine.
I agree that the GTO's styling last year was less than perfect. Still...it was a start. It WAS a GTO....a REAL, V8, rear-drive, bonafide, smoke-the-tires Goat. When was the last time you saw THAT? The last GTO, in 1974, was a joke....a redone Chevy Nova. And why pan the bland GTO styling? In 1964-65, the years that first put the car on the map, it was the SAME thing....bland styling. The car was just a redone Pontiac Tempest....nothing to really look at. Yet people still loved it. The Beach Boys and Jan and Dean sang about it.
The Lutz influence is also seen in the new Cadillac XLR. If there is anything GM still needs to really work on, it is still quality control....they still are not up to Japanese levels yet.
Now...if you want to see a guy who has done even more damage than the Stooges I mentioned............ (even though he is not a CEO )...........look no further than Chris Bangle. He has taken the Ultimate Driving Machine and made it the Ultimate Computer Machine.
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I believe the press that Lutz is a "car guy". But the XLR was underway before Lutz and that is caddy's art and science on a vette. It works but it ain't no brain surgery. I can't say I have watched Lutz much but if the Solstice and the GTO are it, maybe they need to still be looking. The GTO not only had performance, it had style, at least in the 60s. The Monaro goat may have the performance, although I hear some questionable things on its performance (the Mustang is living up to its press), but it has all the style of a cavalier. If GM convinced itself it needed that car and had to save bucks by grafting the Monaro, I can live with that, the Monaro isn't a bad starting point. But to think that was going to be a highly desirable, modern muscle car with as much style as a Timex, Lutz missed it big time, car guy or not.
As for Crown Prince Bangle, I might be able to forgive him. Just another incompetent wunderkind with far less wisdom and ability than reputation and buzz. But for BMW management to not step in and admit the mistake and rectify it, well, may it haunt them for decades.
As for Crown Prince Bangle, I might be able to forgive him. Just another incompetent wunderkind with far less wisdom and ability than reputation and buzz. But for BMW management to not step in and admit the mistake and rectify it, well, may it haunt them for decades.
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Originally posted by MoFunk
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it "
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it "
Until a few years ago, it was relatively easy to import cars from Japan, and yes, those cars were branded Toyota instead of Lexus.
Also, the majority of the cars that Lexus sells in Australia have Toyota equivalents ...
But this is not a bad thing ...
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Originally posted by MoFunk
"Lexus relies completely on the RX330 and they are not a premium range as we know it," a tough-talking Hofmann said.
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it and I believe it is cheating the customers."
Audi says that a B-segment coupe is also under development and once that joins the wagon the company will be ready to strike in volume sales and "go right past Lexus."
What a douche[ [/B]
"Lexus relies completely on the RX330 and they are not a premium range as we know it," a tough-talking Hofmann said.
"They take a Toyota and put a Lexus badge on it and I believe it is cheating the customers."
Audi says that a B-segment coupe is also under development and once that joins the wagon the company will be ready to strike in volume sales and "go right past Lexus."
What a douche[ [/B]
The only way Audi's sales can "go right past Lexus" is they rebadge a few Corollas and sale them as Audis........