Is the regular 604 HP Mercedes Benz CL65 AMG not powerful enough for you?
12-23-04, 09:17 AM
#16
Originally Posted by jracerlmn
i'm just wondering would so many people be complaining if it was a 700HP SC?
12-23-04, 09:50 AM
#17
Originally Posted by rominl
this is bound to happen anyway, that's the thing with FI engine, there is one, then there is a better one. though i am not sure if this much power is necessary, will have such a tough time putting the power on the wheels from stop
but that's not the point mb is selling anyway, it's about pick up speed. this car should be able to compete with enzo on high end speed (provided that the cl65 stock is already comparable)
heck, 700hp crank and it's too much? how about all the supra and skyline with 700hp at the wheels? i dont' see people complaining
but that's not the point mb is selling anyway, it's about pick up speed. this car should be able to compete with enzo on high end speed (provided that the cl65 stock is already comparable)
heck, 700hp crank and it's too much? how about all the supra and skyline with 700hp at the wheels? i dont' see people complaining
12-23-04, 10:22 AM
#18
Lexus Fanatic
The main issue here, and, as I said, even the auto enthusiast mags are starting to get concerned...is when is more and more power simply too much....and unneeded? .....especially with companies like M-B that have reliability problems and could FAR better use the money in enhanced quality control. I note the posts that say that no one is complaining about 604 HP and 738... but PLENTY of people complain about M-B's lack of quality control, which may be at least partly a direct result of so many dollars going into power and engines instead.
And....then......where do you finally draw the line on power? Is 300 HP enough for the average street car? 400HP? 500 HP....like on the new BMW M5 and several AMG's? 600 HP...like on the CL65 AMG? 700-800 HP?
And, hey, why stop THERE? Why don't we just build 1000 HP monsters, like the V12 Cadillac Cien?
S - -t, why even stop THERE? We can build and sell funny-cars and top-fuel dragsters for street use that will turn 3-second, 300-plus MPH quarter-miles. And why even stop THERE? We can put in the F-15's double GE-afterburner-jets in that will propel the car to Mach 2.5...approximately 1600 MPH.
And.....while we're at it.......why be a bunch of chumps and even stop THERE? F - - it, we'll just go all-out and build a car with NASA's Apollo Saturn V system that develops 7,600,000 pounds of take-off thrust.
Nah.....that wouldn't work...........some of you guys would STILL be complaining.........
And....then......where do you finally draw the line on power? Is 300 HP enough for the average street car? 400HP? 500 HP....like on the new BMW M5 and several AMG's? 600 HP...like on the CL65 AMG? 700-800 HP?
And, hey, why stop THERE? Why don't we just build 1000 HP monsters, like the V12 Cadillac Cien?
S - -t, why even stop THERE? We can build and sell funny-cars and top-fuel dragsters for street use that will turn 3-second, 300-plus MPH quarter-miles. And why even stop THERE? We can put in the F-15's double GE-afterburner-jets in that will propel the car to Mach 2.5...approximately 1600 MPH.
And.....while we're at it.......why be a bunch of chumps and even stop THERE? F - - it, we'll just go all-out and build a car with NASA's Apollo Saturn V system that develops 7,600,000 pounds of take-off thrust.
Nah.....that wouldn't work...........some of you guys would STILL be complaining.........
12-23-04, 10:35 AM
#19
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Originally Posted by Milla...
Too much of anything is bad for your health. I mean you have to set some limits unless a person is out right greedy.
If he doesn't hurt anyone, why not? And if he wants to harm his health by breathing the exhaust fumes from one of his 1000HP monsters, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
Should people be able to ride 'irresponsible' long chopper bikes like those fabulous machines they make on TV?
By your reasoning we ought to also limit the number of cheeseburgers someone can consume each week or year.
Last edited by bitkahuna; 12-23-04 at 10:54 AM.
12-23-04, 10:45 AM
#20
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Are you saying Jay Leno shouldn't be "allowed" to have so many cars, or cars with crazy amounts of power like he does?
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Yes, Jay has some fire-breathers, but he generally doesn't mix them in with everyday traffic....especialy in the gridlock L.A. basin. Despite being a professional comedian and entertainer, he is a responsible person.
12-23-04, 10:49 AM
#21
Zombie Slayer
Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Are you saying Jay Leno shouldn't be "allowed" to have so many cars, or cars with crazy amounts of power like he does?
If he doesn't hurt anyone, why not? And if he wants to harm his health by breathing the exhaust fumes from one of his 1000HP monsters, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
By your reasoning we ought to also limit the number of cheeseburgers someone can consume each week or year.
If he doesn't hurt anyone, why not? And if he wants to harm his health by breathing the exhaust fumes from one of his 1000HP monsters, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
By your reasoning we ought to also limit the number of cheeseburgers someone can consume each week or year.
White Castle would be very upset!!
12-23-04, 10:55 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by mkorsu
Please don't limit my cheeseburger intake!
White Castle would be very upset!!
White Castle would be very upset!!
12-23-04, 11:01 AM
#23
Zombie Slayer
Originally Posted by mmarshall
The main issue here, and, as I said, even the auto enthusiast mags are starting to get concerned...is when is more and more power simply too much....and unneeded? .....especially with companies like M-B that have reliability problems and could FAR better use the money in enhanced quality control. I note the posts that say that no one is complaining about 604 HP and 738... but PLENTY of people complain about M-B's lack of quality control, which may be at least partly a direct result of so many dollars going into power and engines instead.
And....then......where do you finally draw the line on power? Is 300 HP enough for the average street car? 400HP? 500 HP....like on the new BMW M5 and several AMG's? 600 HP...like on the CL65 AMG? 700-800 HP?
And, hey, why stop THERE? Why don't we just build 1000 HP monsters, like the V12 Cadillac Cien?
S - -t, why even stop THERE? We can build and sell funny-cars and top-fuel dragsters for street use that will turn 3-second, 300-plus MPH quarter-miles. And why even stop THERE? We can put in the F-15's double GE-afterburner-jets in that will propel the car to Mach 2.5...approximately 1600 MPH.
And.....while we're at it.......why be a bunch of chumps and even stop THERE? F - - it, we'll just go all-out and build a car with NASA's Apollo Saturn V system that develops 7,600,000 pounds of take-off thrust.
Nah.....that wouldn't work...........some of you guys would STILL be complaining.........
And....then......where do you finally draw the line on power? Is 300 HP enough for the average street car? 400HP? 500 HP....like on the new BMW M5 and several AMG's? 600 HP...like on the CL65 AMG? 700-800 HP?
And, hey, why stop THERE? Why don't we just build 1000 HP monsters, like the V12 Cadillac Cien?
S - -t, why even stop THERE? We can build and sell funny-cars and top-fuel dragsters for street use that will turn 3-second, 300-plus MPH quarter-miles. And why even stop THERE? We can put in the F-15's double GE-afterburner-jets in that will propel the car to Mach 2.5...approximately 1600 MPH.
And.....while we're at it.......why be a bunch of chumps and even stop THERE? F - - it, we'll just go all-out and build a car with NASA's Apollo Saturn V system that develops 7,600,000 pounds of take-off thrust.
Nah.....that wouldn't work...........some of you guys would STILL be complaining.........
Was there truly any need for Chrysler/Plymouth to build a version of the Satellite in 1967 with slicks on the rear, quad exhaust, a 487ci engine and the ability to run 10.1 in the quarter right out of the showroom? NO! But they did, and I'm sure 80% of the people thought just like you that it was ridiculous and irresponsible, etc.
Interest in cars such as these may fade eventually. But it will also return. This is just part of the technology cycle. All being fueled by what we here at CL all have a passion for, Automobiles and performance!
i have a 2 HP lawn mower in the garage...
12-23-04, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Are you saying Jay Leno shouldn't be "allowed" to have so many cars, or cars with crazy amounts of power like he does?
If he doesn't hurt anyone, why not? And if he wants to harm his health by breathing the exhaust fumes from one of his 1000HP monsters, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
By your reasoning we ought to also limit the number of cheeseburgers someone can consume each week or year.
If he doesn't hurt anyone, why not? And if he wants to harm his health by breathing the exhaust fumes from one of his 1000HP monsters, why shouldn't he be allowed to?
By your reasoning we ought to also limit the number of cheeseburgers someone can consume each week or year.
Haha no I'm not saying no one should be allowed to have anything they have full right to have or own if they can afford it, who am I. The question can still be asked though and that question is 'whats the point?' The only real answer to that in most cases when it come to excess is, 'because I can and want to' and that is often but not always fueled by self indulgence and or greed thats my point, regardless what kind of car it is, but then again I have noticed that most enthusiast tend to have a lack of restraint when It comes to autos so go figure (sorry I thinking out loud on the keyboard). Anywho people like Jay can do what ever the heck they want with their money. I will never say that a person can't be allowed to have something they have full right to posess, I can really care less I mean people have been known to do dumber things with the dollar bill. Still though I can't help but wonder sometimes and ask, why? Whats the point? particularly with things that will never be used. I just find that to be quite wasteful. The picture is so much bigger. Just food for thought. Ironic coming from someone who owned multiple Lexus(es) ....Ha because I can and want to thats why (smile).
And yes we all myself included probably need to limit the amount of unhealthy foods we consume each week or year we'ed probably live a lot longer and be a lot healthier. I see nothing wrong with that do you?
12-23-04, 11:19 AM
#26
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by mkorsu
MMarshall, i think you might be going just a bit over the top here. IWas there truly any need for Chrysler/Plymouth to build a version of the Satellite in 1967 with slicks on the rear, quad exhaust, a 487ci engine and the ability to run 10.1 in the quarter right out of the showroom? NO! But they did, and I'm sure 80% of the people thought just like you that it was ridiculous and irresponsible, etc.
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I am old enough to have grown up with some of the later muscle-cars of that era. I remember them well. Drove a few of them myself, but not irresponsibly.
Yes, Chrysler did build some 400-HP-plus cars in that era...mostly dual-quad Hemis and some specially modified 440 six-packs......as did Corvette with the 427 triple-deuce carbs and the Ford Galaxie 427 dual-quad.
Chrysler, however, had a company policy that dual-quad Hemis were NOT to be sold purely for street use....only single-quad ones. In fact, dealers were prohibited from selling the dual-quads to customers who could not prove that they had taken a course in high-performance driving and had relatively clean insurance, police, and driving records.
Unfortunately, Ford and GM, to my memory, did not do this. All they wanted to do was make money anyway they could.
Last edited by mmarshall; 12-23-04 at 11:24 AM.
12-23-04, 11:34 AM
#28
The ugly head of socialism permeates everything in our society.
If one person has the cash to do it then so be it, that is what captialism and the market economy is all about. who cares if it is impractical to most people, the bottom line is this is america, If I can afford to buy it and someone is willing to build it then we have a deal.
I think I'm done with this becuase I feel my political panties getting twisted into a knot.
If one person has the cash to do it then so be it, that is what captialism and the market economy is all about. who cares if it is impractical to most people, the bottom line is this is america, If I can afford to buy it and someone is willing to build it then we have a deal.
I think I'm done with this becuase I feel my political panties getting twisted into a knot.
12-23-04, 11:35 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by morris
Arggggggggg!!!!!!!!!
All of you guys sound like someones wife you should all have your Club Lexuis cards immediately revoked. What do you mean too much, enough is never enough I say. Plus you have to remember that this car is not only sold in the US if at all. I'm sure something like this would go over real big in Euroupe where super cars routinely prowl the highways. Not to mention other countires that have people with money and highways to support it. I'm thinking the middle east maybe.
All of you guys sound like someones wife you should all have your Club Lexuis cards immediately revoked. What do you mean too much, enough is never enough I say. Plus you have to remember that this car is not only sold in the US if at all. I'm sure something like this would go over real big in Euroupe where super cars routinely prowl the highways. Not to mention other countires that have people with money and highways to support it. I'm thinking the middle east maybe.
I'm with Morris. Never enough, Kleeman is my hero.I think the dude might have worked for AMG first. Or Am I getting confused with Brabus?
Last edited by alexulan; 12-23-04 at 11:37 AM.
