Video - People from Minnesota suck at driving in the snow
01-15-05, 07:25 PM
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I agree with both you guys on the STOPPING situation, but the STEERING part was the one that made me wonder. ABS monitors the condition when a wheel locks-up; thereby, it begins to pulse the brakes. So, if the wheel is already sliding, the ABS system wil pulse the brakes. However, even if the brakes are modulating, traction has been compromised (i.e. locked wheel condition) leading to a NO STEERING result.
Cool...interesting when you stop to think through the result. Makes sense..thanks.
Cool...interesting when you stop to think through the result. Makes sense..thanks.
Originally Posted by mmarshall
Correct....the only way you are going to stop in a reasonable distance on a really slick surface like ice, ABS or not, is with studded tires....and many places don't allow them.
People have to understand that ABS does NOT necessarily shorten stopping distances. It cannot overrule the laws of physics and give a tire more traction that the rubber compound in the tire is capable of. ALL it can do, and NO MORE, is prevent the wheels from locking up, thus keeping the car from sliding and giving the driver some steering capability while braking. But even in steering, the ABS system will not give the tires any more cornering ability on ice either...it all is dependent on the tire's limits. So, even with ABS, you cannot steer too sharply either because the tires still can slide sideways even though the ABS will not allow them to lock up going straight ahead. (That is where the electronic stability systems take over, if the car has them)
People have to understand that ABS does NOT necessarily shorten stopping distances. It cannot overrule the laws of physics and give a tire more traction that the rubber compound in the tire is capable of. ALL it can do, and NO MORE, is prevent the wheels from locking up, thus keeping the car from sliding and giving the driver some steering capability while braking. But even in steering, the ABS system will not give the tires any more cornering ability on ice either...it all is dependent on the tire's limits. So, even with ABS, you cannot steer too sharply either because the tires still can slide sideways even though the ABS will not allow them to lock up going straight ahead. (That is where the electronic stability systems take over, if the car has them)
01-15-05, 07:39 PM
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man, after watching this video i'm scared to drive up to Yosemite this weekend, although it is not snowing, the lexus gs300 especially the first gen gs seems to be terrible in snow. any tips guys? i have no traction control and i'm running Michilin MXV4 plus tires all around 225.
01-15-05, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jmai22
man, after watching this video i'm scared to drive up to Yosemite this weekend, although it is not snowing, the lexus gs300 especially the first gen gs seems to be terrible in snow. any tips guys? i have no traction control and i'm running Michilin MXV4 plus tires all around 225.
... I was gonna say to use the handbrake if you start sliding but GS doesn't have it.
01-15-05, 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by tetra7
Okay I'm a bit confused.
Some of those higher end cars like the Jag and M class SUV should have ABS brakes, but when you see the video, there is absolutely nothing but the wheels locked up solid. Now correct me if i am wrong, but aren't ABS brakes designed to help you STEER out of the situation? Did I miss something?
Some of those higher end cars like the Jag and M class SUV should have ABS brakes, but when you see the video, there is absolutely nothing but the wheels locked up solid. Now correct me if i am wrong, but aren't ABS brakes designed to help you STEER out of the situation? Did I miss something?
01-15-05, 08:29 PM
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Well the action of turning requires that there is friction between the tires and the road. Like I said earlier, Ice is basically a frictionless surface so the tires have nothing to grip to to pull the car around a corner. Even if the fronts turned, the back would probably just follow around ending up in an uncontrolled spin.
Cliff notes: You can't do anything if you don't have traction.
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Cliff notes: You can't do anything if you don't have traction.
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01-15-05, 11:58 PM
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Hahaha, yea, KARE11 is a TV station here. I never saw that on the news but that is hilarious. People here aren't that supid, there were just some really bad ice storms here lately. 
My SC got stuck at a stop light going up a 1 degree slant hill so I decided it'd be fun to do a burnout and go thru all the gears while in place which is exactly what it did. I was mad, so I stored it after a day in the ice. 
MN people aren't usually that stupid, that must have been a really bad intersection. The salt trucks are out like hawks ever since that first ice storm. 
My SC got stuck at a stop light going up a 1 degree slant hill so I decided it'd be fun to do a burnout and go thru all the gears while in place which is exactly what it did. I was mad, so I stored it after a day in the ice. MN people aren't usually that stupid, that must have been a really bad intersection. The salt trucks are out like hawks ever since that first ice storm.
01-16-05, 01:26 AM
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what if theres a 16 wheeler coming or even a 20 ft uhaul truck man, thats FU*KING DANGEROUS. Wheres the damn salt , and how the hell can these idiots jump out their car doing 20mph, WTF HAS THE WORLD COME TO . They risk their lives 100x more by bailing ou tlike that. Can someone explain why these people dont gradually turn into the side walk which will and can stop tem eventually
01-16-05, 09:34 AM
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[QUOTE=mmarshall]Correct....the only way you are going to stop in a reasonable distance on a really slick surface like ice, ABS or not, is with studded tires....and many places don't allow them.
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I'm going to partially correct myself here......I forgot about chains. Chains will stop you quicker than just rubber tires alone, but not as good as studs.
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I'm going to partially correct myself here......I forgot about chains. Chains will stop you quicker than just rubber tires alone, but not as good as studs.
01-16-05, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by IVXX
Wait you guys don't bail out before you stop the car? Whenever I park my car in the driveway I just bail and let it crash into the garage door. It just makes more sense that way.
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01-16-05, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by IVXX
Wait you guys don't bail out before you stop the car? That must be a Minnesota thing, I mean, theres a 5 mph bumper for a reason. Whenever I park my car in the driveway I just bail and let it crash into the garage door. It just makes more sense that way.
But Seriously those people are RETARDED your going to get more hurt jumping out then just staying in the damn car.
But Seriously those people are RETARDED your going to get more hurt jumping out then just staying in the damn car.
01-16-05, 10:57 AM
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Looked into it a little more. That was Colorodo people jumping out of their cars. NOT MN 
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=74125
I knew we weren't that stupid
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=74125
I knew we weren't that stupid
01-16-05, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by IVXX
Whenever I park my car in the driveway I just bail and let it crash into the garage door. It just makes more sense that way.
Originally Posted by guessd
Looked into it a little more. That was Colorodo people jumping out of their cars. NOT MN
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=74125
I knew we weren't that stupid
http://www.kare11.com/news/news_arti...?storyid=74125
I knew we weren't that stupid
This video is too hilarious..
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