Losing the Luster
#1
Losing the Luster
My new issue of Automobile Magazine came in. In it is an article called Losing the Luster. It is about the poor quality of German autos. We all pretty know this but it's good to see it reported in a major magazine. Not because I feel negative feelings for the Germans, I just think this news needs to be reported to everyone who spends their bucks on these cars. As an enthusiast, I feel for people who make uninformed decisions and end up paying dearly. The problem is not many publications report the problems. This is good. Now maybe the Germans will try haeder to improve things. I will be happy when they do. I think Benzes are some of the most beautiful cars on the road. In fact, I would love to get my hands on the SL or CL...love em. If they were reliable that is.
#2
Lexus Test Driver
Originally Posted by reggiek
My new issue of Automobile Magazine came in. In it is an article called Losing the Luster. It is about the poor quality of German autos. We all pretty know this but it's good to see it reported in a major magazine. Not because I feel negative feelings for the Germans, I just think this news needs to be reported to everyone who spends their bucks on these cars. As an enthusiast, I feel for people who make uninformed decisions and end up paying dearly. The problem is not many publications report the problems. This is good. Now maybe the Germans will try haeder to improve things. I will be happy when they do. I think Benzes are some of the most beautiful cars on the road. In fact, I would love to get my hands on the SL or CL...love em. If they were reliable that is.
#3
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by gs400998
I have a friend who continues to buy German and the only thing that he talks about his BMW or MB is another repair job at the shop. I don't think he uses logic or facts
It never has and never will be based on logic, intelligence, or common sense.
#4
The Germans are way overrated these days. There are, however, three Teutonic machines I do lust after.
1. The BMW 6-series coupe.
2. The Mercdes new "4-door coupe."
3. The new BMW 540
After that, every other Benz, Bimmer and Audi look like boring, bland appliances with a ton of electrical problems waiting to happen.
1. The BMW 6-series coupe.
2. The Mercdes new "4-door coupe."
3. The new BMW 540
After that, every other Benz, Bimmer and Audi look like boring, bland appliances with a ton of electrical problems waiting to happen.
#5
Originally Posted by L-Finesser
The Germans are way overrated these days. There are, however, three Teutonic machines I do lust after.
1. The BMW 6-series coupe.
2. The Mercdes new "4-door coupe."
3. The new BMW 540
After that, every other Benz, Bimmer and Audi look like boring, bland appliances with a ton of electrical problems waiting to happen.
1. The BMW 6-series coupe.
2. The Mercdes new "4-door coupe."
3. The new BMW 540
After that, every other Benz, Bimmer and Audi look like boring, bland appliances with a ton of electrical problems waiting to happen.
#6
Lexus Champion
Originally Posted by reggiek
I also love the new 645. The article does say that BMW is the most reliable German car. Maybe it's time to give them more thought!
#7
Lexus Test Driver
Subscriber-survey of Annual Auto Issue of Consumer Report indicates Porsche has a higher reliability than BMW, VW and MB. Porsche is still 20% worse than average. BMW is 40% worse than average and MB is 80% worse than average. Pontiac, Buick and Chevrolet are abourt average in reliability. Lexus/Toyota is about 50% better than average.
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#9
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by gs400998
Subscriber-survey of Annual Auto Issue of Consumer Report indicates Porsche has a higher reliability than BMW, VW and MB. Porsche is still 20% worse than average. BMW is 40% worse than average and MB is 80% worse than average. Pontiac, Buick and Chevrolet are abourt average in reliability. Lexus/Toyota is about 50% better than average.
Ditto for the non-supercharged Pontiac Grand Prix ( the same frame, chassis, and powertrain as the Regal) but the supercharged GTP gets a distinct black mark....don't know why except maybe for the stresses the blower puts on it or the way they are driven. For some reason CR does not break down the Regal and supercharged Regal GS....perhaps not enough GS'es were sold.
#10
Search Function Inc.
Originally Posted by L-Finesser
The Germans are way overrated these days. There are, however, three Teutonic machines I do lust after.
1. The BMW 6-series coupe.
2. The Mercdes new "4-door coupe."
3. The new BMW 540
After that, every other Benz, Bimmer and Audi look like boring, bland appliances with a ton of electrical problems waiting to happen.
1. The BMW 6-series coupe.
2. The Mercdes new "4-door coupe."
3. The new BMW 540
After that, every other Benz, Bimmer and Audi look like boring, bland appliances with a ton of electrical problems waiting to happen.
#11
Lexus Test Driver
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I would love for the German cars to take note and get their reliability act together. I started off with Toyota/Honda cars, moved to Lexus/Acura cars, then to BMW, and back to Lexus/Toyota. My most importent reason for moving out of BMW or even trying Mercedes is the reliability. I make a modest living and I can't afford their reliability. I have to be honest though, I like Mercedes style and more so BMW up until the Bangles years. They are really beautiful cars. If money were not a problem for me I would still buy BMW or Mercedes dispite their reliability problems. At that point I could care less about dumping money into the car as it wouldn't be a problem. For the time being, I like the fact that the Japanese cars are starting to put the whole driving feel that the Germans cars have. Aside from my NSX, the BMW had the best driving feel of any car I've owned. That is one thing I hate about my Lexus. The steering sucks. It sould's like they are trying to turn that around with the new GS and IS though.
#13
Lexus Fanatic
Originally Posted by CK6Speed
I Aside from my NSX, the BMW had the best driving feel of any car I've owned. .
It's a shame to see Jaguar back down on the bottom again. They were making real progress in reliability for years after Ford bought them out. Can't deny the quality drop, though.....I've looked at some recent Jaguars that were so shoddy that trim parts fell right off when you opened and closed the doors. On one S-2000 that I looked at one of the outside door handles didn't work AT ALL.
Last edited by mmarshall; 03-07-05 at 04:12 AM.
#14
Lexus Test Driver
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
BMW is even starting to lose that, too, in the new " Active Steering" cars.