Rumor: 475hp, AWD, Retractable Hardtop, 1 year away?
03-08-05, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by UDel
From what I have read the GTR will come out in 2007 or possibly 2008 with ether a twin turbo VQ v-6, v-8, or turbo v-8. Some are speculating that the U.S. might get a V-8 since Americans won't generally pay high prices for a 6 cylinder performance car except for the 911 and the rest of the world would get a turbo v-6. The suspension is supposed to be handled by Lotus and the engine tuning is supposed to be handled by Cosworth. One problem I have read is that the VQ v-6 block is not well suited to high horsepower and FI causing a delay in launch. From some of the stories of people turboing their 350Zs and cooking their motors they need to strengthen the internals on the engine and may have to use cast iron to be able to handle the power. Horsepower is supposed to be anywhere from 375-450. 475 hp sounds a little high and the hardtop the salesman is talking about is most likely the M45 coupe that Nissan says they are most likely making. Most say it will come out as an Infiniti since people are not going to pay $50,000+ for a Nissan. A less expensive model may find its way to Nissan. They do not need to load the GTR up with luxury features and heavy sound deadening material. The NSX, Corvette and 911 do not have luxurous interiors but do have power everthing and nav systems etc and they do not weigh much. People are going to buy the GTR for looks and performance not how cushy the interior is. Pricing is supposed to be around twice the cost of a Z car which would be 60-70 grand and the performance target was said to be the 911 but they did not specify which model 911. I would rather see them tune or turbo their v-8 instead of the VQ v-6 since it seems like a better performing motor and they have not exploited its potential. The VQ is in minivans, Altimas, xterra, g35 etc and sharing a lesser motor with lesser cars can turn off potential customers in the high dollar car market. Hopefully it will not dissappoint but I am starting to lose interest in this car considering how long it is taking to come out.
1. Nissan was doing so poorly that they never had a replacement for the R34 (pre Ghosen). They didn't see the business case for it. That is why its taking so long for the new one.
2. Fast forward 5 years and NIssan is hot! And Ghosen wants the GT-R to be a world car and he wants Infintii to go global like Lexus.
3. Things have slowed down, interally, they have a new Nissan CEO and they are now trying to chase quality. Infinti sales are really relying on the QX56, otherwise they would be down. Add the Q45 failure again and they are scared of naming it an Infiniti.
4. Also internally, many think the proper GT-R is a NISSAN. It is NISSANS halo car. And loved throughout the word as a Nissan.
5. Current GT-R fans (go to their websites) mostly hate the new Skyline, our G35, for not being a true skyline. THey see it a a 350Z with 2 seats (350Z and GT-R buyers are 2 different animals).
6. Infiniti may not come to Europe. It was supposed to be a 2007 rollout but that has been pushed back. No sense having an Infiniti GT-R if there is no Infiniit in Europe.
7. This is not the same Nissan. The previous NIssan had the go-ahead to make an ALL ***** GT-R, no matter the cost. The new Nissan is owned by Renault and parts sharing is a must. Ghosen even stated, I love cars but will not make any car for love, it has to make money..
I hope we get it But I also hope its not just a VQ with turbos.
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I hope we get it But I also hope its not just a VQ with turbos.
03-15-05, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenthar
There would be no problem with it having the VQ with turbos. The VQ is a very reliable and very flexible motor which is why it is always in the top 10 best engines in the world. However, i would like the see the q45/m45 engine in it instead. Either way, most of the world wouldnt care if it did have the VQ...all people care about is if it delivers the power it should have. And something good about nissan is that they dont disappoint when it comes to performance.
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courtesy of Rezz at Skylines Australia.
2005 GT-R Concept
After 3 solid years of speculation, CG concepts by Nissan design teams - not to mention the plethora of CG images produced by Nissan fans - we will get the final word from Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn regarding the Next GT-R. The 39th Tokyo Motor Show (Oct 19 - Nov 6, 2005) will be the venue where all the speculation and rumors stop when the 2005 GT-R Concept vehicle is uncovered.
Without a doubt the main feature at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show will be the Next GT-R. No other single vehicle has caused as much hype amongst the international Nissan fan base as this car. Nissan have been watching the international reaction to various rumors, spy photos, concept drawings and the like, and will take it upon themselves to officially state the Next GT-R's design, new components and capabilities, aim of the car, and price. Nissan may even answer the question that's confused a number of enthusiasts up until now: the chassis designation. Whether it's UA-CPV35 GT-R, or due to the '07 release date, UA-CPV36 GT-R, or another chassis code altogether, Nissan will need to explain why, if the GT-R is to drop it's connection with the Skyline, would they need to incorporate the Skyline's traditional four round tail lights.
Sources in Japan have already scooped the Next GT-R's FR transaxle, twin motor-assisted turbos and 'e-4WD' - drive to the front wheels provided by electric motors powered by Lithium batteries. All these mechanisms are unique to the Next GT-R and will lead the way for other car manufacturers to make use of such technological advances in their own vehicle line-ups. One hotly contested feature of the Next GT-R is it's rumored engine, the VQ32DETT. International speculation has sprouted all sorts of configurations: N/A and turbo V8's, large capacity V6's, even rebirth of the legendary RB26DETT. But no other engine configuration has been quoted more times in Japan than the 3.2 liter V6 twin turbo.
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo - 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Much importance has been placed on the effective use of underbody aerodynamics, as well as keeping a clean, muscular shape devoid of any large spoilers which were such a signature of the superseded R34 Skyline GT-R. 20-inch alloy wheels and a mix of carbon fiber (bonnet, seat frames, drive shafts, rear diffusers) and aluminum (roof, door panels, rear tailgate) will also feature on a car that is every bit as exotic as it is technologically advanced. The disappointment felt by Japanese Nissan enthusiasts about the controversial tail lights of the V35 Skyline Sedan upon it's release back in 2001 - no trademark circular lights or 'hotplates' - has seen Nissan make a complete about face... even releasing the V35 Skyline Sedan Series II with circular LED arrays to try and convince the Japanese domestic market that they haven't forsaken the Skyline heritage. What this means is that despite the multitude of CG images gracing the internet and magazines all sporting slightly weak attempts at 'hotplate' tail light designs, the Next GT-R will definitely include the four round tail lights that have become the defining feature of the GT-R since the early 1970's... even though Carlos Ghosn has hinted that the Next GT-R won't be associated with the Skyline range anymore.
The motto of the Next GT-R that has been thrown around more than a few times amongst the Japanese media is 'More Super-Sports than you can imagine'. You can be sure that Nissan won't disappoint this time around, as so many Nissan enthusiasts in Japan have expressed their disapproval of the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show Concept GT-R. Look for more details to come to light as October approaches straight from Japan... so it certainly will be an exciting year for GT-R enthusiasts the world over. Expect to see the Next GT-R released in December 2007.
2005 GT-R Concept
After 3 solid years of speculation, CG concepts by Nissan design teams - not to mention the plethora of CG images produced by Nissan fans - we will get the final word from Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn regarding the Next GT-R. The 39th Tokyo Motor Show (Oct 19 - Nov 6, 2005) will be the venue where all the speculation and rumors stop when the 2005 GT-R Concept vehicle is uncovered.
Without a doubt the main feature at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show will be the Next GT-R. No other single vehicle has caused as much hype amongst the international Nissan fan base as this car. Nissan have been watching the international reaction to various rumors, spy photos, concept drawings and the like, and will take it upon themselves to officially state the Next GT-R's design, new components and capabilities, aim of the car, and price. Nissan may even answer the question that's confused a number of enthusiasts up until now: the chassis designation. Whether it's UA-CPV35 GT-R, or due to the '07 release date, UA-CPV36 GT-R, or another chassis code altogether, Nissan will need to explain why, if the GT-R is to drop it's connection with the Skyline, would they need to incorporate the Skyline's traditional four round tail lights.
Sources in Japan have already scooped the Next GT-R's FR transaxle, twin motor-assisted turbos and 'e-4WD' - drive to the front wheels provided by electric motors powered by Lithium batteries. All these mechanisms are unique to the Next GT-R and will lead the way for other car manufacturers to make use of such technological advances in their own vehicle line-ups. One hotly contested feature of the Next GT-R is it's rumored engine, the VQ32DETT. International speculation has sprouted all sorts of configurations: N/A and turbo V8's, large capacity V6's, even rebirth of the legendary RB26DETT. But no other engine configuration has been quoted more times in Japan than the 3.2 liter V6 twin turbo.
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo - 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Much importance has been placed on the effective use of underbody aerodynamics, as well as keeping a clean, muscular shape devoid of any large spoilers which were such a signature of the superseded R34 Skyline GT-R. 20-inch alloy wheels and a mix of carbon fiber (bonnet, seat frames, drive shafts, rear diffusers) and aluminum (roof, door panels, rear tailgate) will also feature on a car that is every bit as exotic as it is technologically advanced. The disappointment felt by Japanese Nissan enthusiasts about the controversial tail lights of the V35 Skyline Sedan upon it's release back in 2001 - no trademark circular lights or 'hotplates' - has seen Nissan make a complete about face... even releasing the V35 Skyline Sedan Series II with circular LED arrays to try and convince the Japanese domestic market that they haven't forsaken the Skyline heritage. What this means is that despite the multitude of CG images gracing the internet and magazines all sporting slightly weak attempts at 'hotplate' tail light designs, the Next GT-R will definitely include the four round tail lights that have become the defining feature of the GT-R since the early 1970's... even though Carlos Ghosn has hinted that the Next GT-R won't be associated with the Skyline range anymore.
The motto of the Next GT-R that has been thrown around more than a few times amongst the Japanese media is 'More Super-Sports than you can imagine'. You can be sure that Nissan won't disappoint this time around, as so many Nissan enthusiasts in Japan have expressed their disapproval of the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show Concept GT-R. Look for more details to come to light as October approaches straight from Japan... so it certainly will be an exciting year for GT-R enthusiasts the world over. Expect to see the Next GT-R released in December 2007.
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Originally Posted by Xenthar
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo - 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Since it is a smaller displacement (than the 3.5) VQ - I doubt too many people will run for the hills at the designation. And if they do - salesmen can chase them down with the impressive figures - this thing will MOVE. But not only will it move, it'll be cost-effective, and it will be reliable.
I can't wait.
M.
03-18-05, 11:44 AM
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courtesy of Rezz at Skylines Australia.
2005 GT-R Concept
After 3 solid years of speculation, CG concepts by Nissan design teams - not to mention the plethora of CG images produced by Nissan fans - we will get the final word from Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn regarding the Next GT-R. The 39th Tokyo Motor Show (Oct 19 - Nov 6, 2005) will be the venue where all the speculation and rumors stop when the 2005 GT-R Concept vehicle is uncovered.
Without a doubt the main feature at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show will be the Next GT-R. No other single vehicle has caused as much hype amongst the international Nissan fan base as this car. Nissan have been watching the international reaction to various rumors, spy photos, concept drawings and the like, and will take it upon themselves to officially state the Next GT-R's design, new components and capabilities, aim of the car, and price. Nissan may even answer the question that's confused a number of enthusiasts up until now: the chassis designation. Whether it's UA-CPV35 GT-R, or due to the '07 release date, UA-CPV36 GT-R, or another chassis code altogether, Nissan will need to explain why, if the GT-R is to drop it's connection with the Skyline, would they need to incorporate the Skyline's traditional four round tail lights.
Sources in Japan have already scooped the Next GT-R's FR transaxle, twin motor-assisted turbos and 'e-4WD' - drive to the front wheels provided by electric motors powered by Lithium batteries. All these mechanisms are unique to the Next GT-R and will lead the way for other car manufacturers to make use of such technological advances in their own vehicle line-ups. One hotly contested feature of the Next GT-R is it's rumored engine, the VQ32DETT. International speculation has sprouted all sorts of configurations: N/A and turbo V8's, large capacity V6's, even rebirth of the legendary RB26DETT. But no other engine configuration has been quoted more times in Japan than the 3.2 liter V6 twin turbo.
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo - 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Much importance has been placed on the effective use of underbody aerodynamics, as well as keeping a clean, muscular shape devoid of any large spoilers which were such a signature of the superseded R34 Skyline GT-R. 20-inch alloy wheels and a mix of carbon fiber (bonnet, seat frames, drive shafts, rear diffusers) and aluminum (roof, door panels, rear tailgate) will also feature on a car that is every bit as exotic as it is technologically advanced. The disappointment felt by Japanese Nissan enthusiasts about the controversial tail lights of the V35 Skyline Sedan upon it's release back in 2001 - no trademark circular lights or 'hotplates' - has seen Nissan make a complete about face... even releasing the V35 Skyline Sedan Series II with circular LED arrays to try and convince the Japanese domestic market that they haven't forsaken the Skyline heritage. What this means is that despite the multitude of CG images gracing the internet and magazines all sporting slightly weak attempts at 'hotplate' tail light designs, the Next GT-R will definitely include the four round tail lights that have become the defining feature of the GT-R since the early 1970's... even though Carlos Ghosn has hinted that the Next GT-R won't be associated with the Skyline range anymore.
The motto of the Next GT-R that has been thrown around more than a few times amongst the Japanese media is 'More Super-Sports than you can imagine'. You can be sure that Nissan won't disappoint this time around, as so many Nissan enthusiasts in Japan have expressed their disapproval of the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show Concept GT-R. Look for more details to come to light as October approaches straight from Japan... so it certainly will be an exciting year for GT-R enthusiasts the world over. Expect to see the Next GT-R released in December 2007.
2005 GT-R Concept
After 3 solid years of speculation, CG concepts by Nissan design teams - not to mention the plethora of CG images produced by Nissan fans - we will get the final word from Nissan boss Carlos Ghosn regarding the Next GT-R. The 39th Tokyo Motor Show (Oct 19 - Nov 6, 2005) will be the venue where all the speculation and rumors stop when the 2005 GT-R Concept vehicle is uncovered.
Without a doubt the main feature at the 39th Tokyo Motor Show will be the Next GT-R. No other single vehicle has caused as much hype amongst the international Nissan fan base as this car. Nissan have been watching the international reaction to various rumors, spy photos, concept drawings and the like, and will take it upon themselves to officially state the Next GT-R's design, new components and capabilities, aim of the car, and price. Nissan may even answer the question that's confused a number of enthusiasts up until now: the chassis designation. Whether it's UA-CPV35 GT-R, or due to the '07 release date, UA-CPV36 GT-R, or another chassis code altogether, Nissan will need to explain why, if the GT-R is to drop it's connection with the Skyline, would they need to incorporate the Skyline's traditional four round tail lights.
Sources in Japan have already scooped the Next GT-R's FR transaxle, twin motor-assisted turbos and 'e-4WD' - drive to the front wheels provided by electric motors powered by Lithium batteries. All these mechanisms are unique to the Next GT-R and will lead the way for other car manufacturers to make use of such technological advances in their own vehicle line-ups. One hotly contested feature of the Next GT-R is it's rumored engine, the VQ32DETT. International speculation has sprouted all sorts of configurations: N/A and turbo V8's, large capacity V6's, even rebirth of the legendary RB26DETT. But no other engine configuration has been quoted more times in Japan than the 3.2 liter V6 twin turbo.
The rumored VQ32DETT engine has been developed in conjunction with Cosworth (UK) and the basic design of the V6 twin turbo - 3.0 liter guise - has seen two full seasons already in the Japanese JGTC (Japan GT Championship) racing series, which VQ powered cars have won consecutively in the last two years. The rigors of JGTC racing and advances in turbo design should put to rest any doubts about a twin turbo V6 configuration not being able to withstand the treatment expected from a US market not familiar with a top level performance turbo offering from Nissan. The concern over how the US market would receive a medium capacity V6 turbo powered GT car from Nissan has brought forth all kinds of rumored engine configurations, none of which have had any mention within the Japanese media for at least two years. It seems practically all the rumors regarding engines other than the VQ32DETT have originated from the very market that is concerned about the reliability of a turbo V6 powered GT car from Nissan (or in the North American market, Infiniti) as opposed to the supposedly better reliability a larger capacity naturally aspirated engine of similar output could offer.
Much importance has been placed on the effective use of underbody aerodynamics, as well as keeping a clean, muscular shape devoid of any large spoilers which were such a signature of the superseded R34 Skyline GT-R. 20-inch alloy wheels and a mix of carbon fiber (bonnet, seat frames, drive shafts, rear diffusers) and aluminum (roof, door panels, rear tailgate) will also feature on a car that is every bit as exotic as it is technologically advanced. The disappointment felt by Japanese Nissan enthusiasts about the controversial tail lights of the V35 Skyline Sedan upon it's release back in 2001 - no trademark circular lights or 'hotplates' - has seen Nissan make a complete about face... even releasing the V35 Skyline Sedan Series II with circular LED arrays to try and convince the Japanese domestic market that they haven't forsaken the Skyline heritage. What this means is that despite the multitude of CG images gracing the internet and magazines all sporting slightly weak attempts at 'hotplate' tail light designs, the Next GT-R will definitely include the four round tail lights that have become the defining feature of the GT-R since the early 1970's... even though Carlos Ghosn has hinted that the Next GT-R won't be associated with the Skyline range anymore.
The motto of the Next GT-R that has been thrown around more than a few times amongst the Japanese media is 'More Super-Sports than you can imagine'. You can be sure that Nissan won't disappoint this time around, as so many Nissan enthusiasts in Japan have expressed their disapproval of the 2001 Tokyo Motor Show Concept GT-R. Look for more details to come to light as October approaches straight from Japan... so it certainly will be an exciting year for GT-R enthusiasts the world over. Expect to see the Next GT-R released in December 2007.
Thanks for this mahn! Sounds good, I heard the almost ready car should be shown this fall on the show circuit!
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Thanks for this mahn! Sounds good, I heard the almost ready car should be shown this fall on the show circuit!
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