robloc93

I really like Nissan's exteriors, but the interiors lack a little, BUT that's not the car's downfall. Toyota usually has inviting interiors, and while the exteriors might be a little bland at times, they're by no means ugly. Nissan has either love it or hate it exteriors (I happen to love most).

Nissan's recently upped their act, since that deal with Renault, so the current cars are better than before.

Even though Nissans have usually been more poweful than it's Toyota counterpart, Toyota's slowly creeping up and sometimes surpassing Nissan in the huevos department.
An example is the new Avalon, the old one was anemic, with 210 hp out of a 3.0, compared to the 255 out of the 3.0 VQ. Now look, they both have 3.5s , the Avalon XL has 280 hp @ 6200 rpm
and 260 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm, while the Maxima's 3.5 SE squeezes out 265 hp @ 5,800 rpm and
255 lb-ft of torque @ 4,400 rpm. Clearly, the Avalon kicks the Maxima's *** in all aspects.

Also, while the Frontier may have a few more horsies ( ) under it's hood, it's out run by the Tacoma; which offers a sportier X runner, that outhandles a 350Z (which is pathetic; a sports car being out handled by a "truck", no offense to the Z owners....well maybe just a little, jk ).

Nissan has recently introduced Nismo edition off road Frontiers, clearly following Toyota's TRD Tacomas.

So what im trying to say is, Toyotas learns from other people's mistakes and successes, and pretty soon Nissan's only advantage will be exteriors...maybe..Toyota has quality and more recently, horsepower.

Go Toyota!

Xenthar

The new M45 tops out at about 60k and the m45 is selling better than expected. The QX56 tops out at about 57k and it sells. The FX45 tops out at about 59k and it sells. The upcoming GT-R is estimated to be above 60k, and i predict it will sell well. The old q45 is just ugly...

xioix

it tops out at 60k, but are people buying it at 60k?

xioix

you say that young people don't want those cars, yet they are selling really well
so you don't know what the market wants or is willing to buy

mmarshall

I respect all of your opinions here in the Scion-Nissan debate, but what just about all of you are forgetting is that Scion is NOT just a so-called " young person's " car despite the literal translation of " Scion " meaning " youth ". The only Scion product so far to actually sell mostly to youth is the tC. But the xA and xB are selling well to people in their 30's, 40's, 50's, and even 60-plus retired people...the xB more so than the xA. A 39-year-old co-worker of mine I went shopping with a few weeks ago came VERY close to buying an xB before settling on a Matrix instead....another so-called " youth " vehicle. The xA and xb appeal to many older people as well......retired people on fixed incomes that don't have a fortune to spend on a car are drawn by the car's low price, easy no-dicker Saturn-type deals, Toyota quality, reams of space efficiency inside to carry around all the things they typically stuff in back, great gas mileage, low insurance, and promise of longevity, and they are willing to put up with the shoe-box designs and quirky dashes.

Toyota is re-learning the same lesson in the marketplace with Scion that they did several years ago with the Echo.....another so-called " youth " machine that was supposed to replace the much more conservative Tercel ( a car that I though VERY highly of for commuters, by the way).
The Echo ended up selling.....and still sells.......heavily to seniors who don't have much money to spend, want a sedan instead of a hatchback / wagon, and want Toyota quality.

flipside909

I like to call it blatant copy because the "Nismo" Off Road Package offers Bilstein Shocks just like the Toyota TRD Off Road Package that has been around for about 7 years now. Same w/the Pre-Runner, Nissan followed suit w/the "Desert Runner". Everyone copies each other. Just like how the DoubleCab Tacoma was introduced after Nissan put their crew cab out...as well as the long bed versions.


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These two shots look way too similar. The older Tacoma one obviously was taken first.

xioix

the average is still the youngest of any car brand

and when a parent buys a car for their kid, it raises the average

mmarshall

Is that your shadow with the camera, flip?

flipside909

No because i've been to Utah but never to Moab.

Inabj2

I call bull**** on the tacoma xrunner outhandling a 350z. I dont care what toyota claims in this department.

Especially if both cars were to have the same handling mods, the 350z will come out on top.

flipside909

It's not BS because Toyota purposely used a stock 350z as a benchmark for the X-Runner's handling. Obviously a truck isn't going to outhandle a true sports car chassis, but that's pretty impressive for a factory tuned truck to match or exceed a sports car like the Z as a benchmark.

http://www.autoweek.com/article.cms?articleId=100847

STIG

X-Runner outhandles a 350Z??????

uhh i dont think so... but i am sure you have something to back up your statement.

Inabj2

Ok but if you look at the more powerful options for the same cars.

Toyota Corrola XRS
1.8L 4cyl 6 speed manual
170hp @ 7600 rpm
127 ft-lbs @ 4400 rpm

Nissan Sentra SE-R Spec V
2.5L 4cyl 6 speed manual
175hp @6000 rpm
180ft-lbs@4000 rpm

Toyota Tacoma X-runner
4.0L V-6 6 speed manual
245 Hp@ 5200 rpm
282ft-lbs@3800 rpm

Nissan Frontier 4dr king cab nismo
4.0L V-6 6 speed manual.
265 hp@5600 rpm
284 ft-lbs@4000 rpm

Inabj2

Ive yet to see independent testing confirm this claim till then Ill call it pr hogwash. And then even if it is true you cannot speak for all the 350z line up did it outhandle a base model 350z? Or was it the track edition or the 35th edition Z? Define testing? Did it merely grip better? Or did it slalom better? Or was a realistic testing like fastest car around a small roadcourse, autox type setup win?

flipside909

I was simply making a point to the original poster which is false: