Toyota vs. Nissan
05-27-05 | 03:30 PM
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TXSTYLE if you read, no one is knocking the fact NIssan has turned it up and they are on fire with consumers. Thing is so is Toyota in all their "boring" glory. Every month and year, Toyota is selling more cars and SUVs. Toyota never SLIPPED. Nissan slipped for years and is on a nice track today.
Nissan just sold over 1 million vehicles in a year. Toyota does TWICE as much.
Only Toyota, Checy, VW (just joined this week) and Ford have sold 100,000,000 vehicles.
The Corolla is the best selling car in the world.
Lexus is the best selling luxury brand.
On top of selling the best, the QUALITY is some of the best.
If you look at management, TOYOTA is used as a prime example of success. Toyota's use of "kaizen" is truly astonishing.
There is no doubt that today, Nissan has a more exciting lineup than Toyota. Heck, Honda does too.
Thing is, when Toyota/Lexus begins to knock on those doors starting with the new IS 350/GS 350....
oh oh
Nissan just sold over 1 million vehicles in a year. Toyota does TWICE as much.
Only Toyota, Checy, VW (just joined this week) and Ford have sold 100,000,000 vehicles.
The Corolla is the best selling car in the world.
Lexus is the best selling luxury brand.
On top of selling the best, the QUALITY is some of the best.
If you look at management, TOYOTA is used as a prime example of success. Toyota's use of "kaizen" is truly astonishing.
There is no doubt that today, Nissan has a more exciting lineup than Toyota. Heck, Honda does too.
Thing is, when Toyota/Lexus begins to knock on those doors starting with the new IS 350/GS 350....oh oh
05-27-05 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
TXSTYLE if you read, no one is knocking the fact NIssan has turned it up and they are on fire with consumers. Thing is so is Toyota in all their "boring" glory. Every month and year, Toyota is selling more cars and SUVs. Toyota never SLIPPED. Nissan slipped for years and is on a nice track today.
Nissan just sold over 1 million vehicles in a year. Toyota does TWICE as much.
Only Toyota, Checy, VW (just joined this week) and Ford have sold 100,000,000 vehicles.
The Corolla is the best selling car in the world.
Lexus is the best selling luxury brand.
On top of selling the best, the QUALITY is some of the best.
If you look at management, TOYOTA is used as a prime example of success. Toyota's use of "kaizen" is truly astonishing.
There is no doubt that today, Nissan has a more exciting lineup than Toyota. Heck, Honda does too. Thing is, when Toyota/Lexus begins to knock on those doors starting with the new IS 350/GS 350....
oh oh
Nissan just sold over 1 million vehicles in a year. Toyota does TWICE as much.
Only Toyota, Checy, VW (just joined this week) and Ford have sold 100,000,000 vehicles.
The Corolla is the best selling car in the world.
Lexus is the best selling luxury brand.
On top of selling the best, the QUALITY is some of the best.
If you look at management, TOYOTA is used as a prime example of success. Toyota's use of "kaizen" is truly astonishing.
There is no doubt that today, Nissan has a more exciting lineup than Toyota. Heck, Honda does too.
Thing is, when Toyota/Lexus begins to knock on those doors starting with the new IS 350/GS 350....oh oh
Only Toyota, Checy, VW (just joined this week) and Ford have sold 100,000,000 vehicles.
The Corolla is the best selling car in the world.
Lexus is the best selling luxury brand.(in the US)
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05-27-05 | 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by TXSTYLE
I agree.... When you have such a "stellar & versatile" product like the VQ, why bother? 
Mike......
How many companys & corporations are acquired in their lifespan? I'm missing your point bro. The product still draws it's sweat and tears from it's original birth place: Japan. No matter who helps to get them on their feet, the a company is only going to stay there or make progress by forward thinking, profits, and meeting/exceeding expectations. 
Mike......
How many companys & corporations are acquired in their lifespan? I'm missing your point bro. The product still draws it's sweat and tears from it's original birth place: Japan. No matter who helps to get them on their feet, the a company is only going to stay there or make progress by forward thinking, profits, and meeting/exceeding expectations. 
And the fact that a great Japanese company did make it's progress initially, but went downward from the late 80s into the 90s. The expectation of "a company is only going to stay there or make progress by forward thinking" didn't help Nissan during those ailing times. We'll see how Nissan fairs after Ghosn goes to Renault. But I do give credit in some ways to the Ghosn Method...not 100% though.
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05-27-05 | 04:59 PM
#94
Points taken.
I am well aware of Toyota/Lexus and the props that are well deserved. I owned one or two. Just don't want to see an alternate and equally impressive (albeit of recent) nameplate not getting it's props just due to where we happen to be discussing this.
I am well aware of Toyota/Lexus and the props that are well deserved. I owned one or two.
Just don't want to see an alternate and equally impressive (albeit of recent) nameplate not getting it's props just due to where we happen to be discussing this.
05-27-05 | 05:34 PM
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2nd year for the Titan and its already selling that many. So its doing very very good. BTW, I live in SA... I know about Toyota coming! 
That isn't bad for Nissan, Tundra has been out longer you would expect them to be selling a bit more. But the way the numbers are climbing it won't be long before Nissan passes Toyota on sales.
That isn't bad for Nissan, Tundra has been out longer you would expect them to be selling a bit more. But the way the numbers are climbing it won't be long before Nissan passes Toyota on sales.
Originally Posted by flipside909
The next generation Tundra is going to be built in the all new Toyota Motor Manufacturing plant in San Antonio, TX w/a diesel variant as well.
Perhaps you're confusing Toyota's numbers w/Nissan's. The Titan is just over 3k short of Tundra sales and just for kicks 1k more than the Armada, FYI. Failure? Not by the facts:
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=161134
Perhaps you're confusing Toyota's numbers w/Nissan's. The Titan is just over 3k short of Tundra sales and just for kicks 1k more than the Armada, FYI. Failure? Not by the facts:
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NISSAN DIVISION SALES
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April April Monthly CYTD CYTD CYTD DSR
DSR
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2005 2004 % Change 2005 2004 % Change
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Armada 3,061 2,537 16.2% 13,856 10,170 36.2%
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Titan 7,387 5,268 35.0% 29,042 19,475 49.1%
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TOYOTA RETAIL SALES
(INCLUDES FLEET & HAWAII)
April, 2005
----- CURRENT MONTH ----- -- CALENDAR YEAR TO DATE --
DSR % DSR %
2005 2004 CHG 2005 2004 CHG
SEQUOIA 4,039 4,319 -9.9 16,164 18,374 -12.0
TUNDRA 10,932 8,672 21.4 43,660 32,613 33.9
05-27-05 | 05:36 PM
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Sounds like your talking about Trikky. I know him.
I know him.
Originally Posted by xravexboix
That's why we're at war w/ Iraq... to leave Toyota trucks there
The VQ has been a great engine base... but you can only bore out an engine so many times =P
We can't really compare the VQ series w/ the GR series (totally different time lines!) The VQ compares to the MZ line... which is OK... but the new "world engine" line (GR series) will be taking the place of what the VQ is in Nissan's line. It will be placed in almost all Toyota vehicles that offer a V6... the difference is that each engine has its own displacement to benefit the car it's going into. A Camry doesn't need 500 HP (it doesn't need anything over 250... the Avalon will fall into that "who am i, where am i" phase again if the camry got the 2GR lol)
Nissan is definately growing here... but if they don't treat their customers right***, they will run to alternatives.
Note: (V6Performance.net forums) - This guy bought a Titan and there were multiple problems... he got the lemon of the bunch... and Nissan didn't do jack crap for him until his 4th transmission replacement. They finally bought the car back minus the milage (least style milage... 12K/year + x cents per mile over)... they guy will never go back to Nissan... he's moving to a GM.
The VQ has been a great engine base... but you can only bore out an engine so many times =P
We can't really compare the VQ series w/ the GR series (totally different time lines!) The VQ compares to the MZ line... which is OK... but the new "world engine" line (GR series) will be taking the place of what the VQ is in Nissan's line. It will be placed in almost all Toyota vehicles that offer a V6... the difference is that each engine has its own displacement to benefit the car it's going into. A Camry doesn't need 500 HP
(it doesn't need anything over 250... the Avalon will fall into that "who am i, where am i" phase again if the camry got the 2GR lol)Nissan is definately growing here... but if they don't treat their customers right***, they will run to alternatives.
Note: (V6Performance.net forums) - This guy bought a Titan and there were multiple problems... he got the lemon of the bunch... and Nissan didn't do jack crap for him until his 4th transmission replacement. They finally bought the car back minus the milage (least style milage... 12K/year + x cents per mile over)... they guy will never go back to Nissan... he's moving to a GM.
05-27-05 | 05:40 PM
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Correction, French only owns 47% or around that of Nissan. Nissan never got bought by Renault. They just merged and helped Nissan come out of the hole where GM is headed at this moment.
If he didn't care about the interiors, how come he is fixing the interiors now on the cars? The new 05 G35 is much better now with nothing cheap inside. It's actually nicer than the older IS300.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
My 2 cents (which will probably have Nissan fans wanting to hang me by the *****). Please READ what I say, don't assume I am trashing anything.
Old Nissans were GREAT cars. Great as in ALL AROUND. Good power, good interiors, good build quality, etc etc. But they had TOO MANY platforms and only 1 was profitable! (The Altima) Infiniti was almost dropped as a brand, it was a complete failure. Nissan was bought by the FRENCH!! Renault OWNS Nissan!!
They decided to bring in Carlos Ghosen who is known as "le cost cutter". He is about ONE and ONE thing only, PROFIT!!! He combined platforms and told Nissan they must do this"
1. Share EVERYTHING to cut costs.
2. Make STYLISH cars that stand out
3. Make cars/SUVs that will make SURE money!!
4. Price the cars more expensive though they are cheaper to build.
5. Move production to America.
He promised to have Nissan in the black, profitable etc etc.
Well it DID happen!! Nissans did become very stylish in comparison to the competiton. THey utilized the 3.5 VQ in every thing sold, since its a very great and flexible engine. Proftis rolled in overnight since everything is related one way or another. The 350Z brought the HALO to the company but IS profitable. If it wasn't Ghosen said it would not have been made.
They concetrated on Infiniti and did the same. Shared everything, give it more style and sporty. It is working, Infiniti finally sold over 100,000 vehicles last year.
Clearly, though wiht the cost cutting, Nissan interiors are simply WORST in the industry. They are all horrible. Period. THe quality of the cars is still below average and worse than Honda/Toyota easily. But GHOSEN knows this and doesn't care. Once the PROFITS are rolling in, he could care less.
And that is why Honda/Toyota are still overall, superior. B/C they didn't forget how important it is to be one of the best built cars/SUVs, as well as offer everything else.
Nissan has done a great job turning it around and has found its customers who are more concerned with style and looks and speed, than quality and fit and finish etc. Nissan is still a very hot company right now!
Old Nissans were GREAT cars. Great as in ALL AROUND. Good power, good interiors, good build quality, etc etc. But they had TOO MANY platforms and only 1 was profitable! (The Altima) Infiniti was almost dropped as a brand, it was a complete failure. Nissan was bought by the FRENCH!! Renault OWNS Nissan!!
They decided to bring in Carlos Ghosen who is known as "le cost cutter". He is about ONE and ONE thing only, PROFIT!!! He combined platforms and told Nissan they must do this"
1. Share EVERYTHING to cut costs.
2. Make STYLISH cars that stand out
3. Make cars/SUVs that will make SURE money!!
4. Price the cars more expensive though they are cheaper to build.
5. Move production to America.
He promised to have Nissan in the black, profitable etc etc.
Well it DID happen!! Nissans did become very stylish in comparison to the competiton. THey utilized the 3.5 VQ in every thing sold, since its a very great and flexible engine. Proftis rolled in overnight since everything is related one way or another. The 350Z brought the HALO to the company but IS profitable. If it wasn't Ghosen said it would not have been made.
They concetrated on Infiniti and did the same. Shared everything, give it more style and sporty. It is working, Infiniti finally sold over 100,000 vehicles last year.
Clearly, though wiht the cost cutting, Nissan interiors are simply WORST in the industry. They are all horrible. Period. THe quality of the cars is still below average and worse than Honda/Toyota easily. But GHOSEN knows this and doesn't care. Once the PROFITS are rolling in, he could care less.
And that is why Honda/Toyota are still overall, superior. B/C they didn't forget how important it is to be one of the best built cars/SUVs, as well as offer everything else.
Nissan has done a great job turning it around and has found its customers who are more concerned with style and looks and speed, than quality and fit and finish etc. Nissan is still a very hot company right now!
05-27-05 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by flipside909
The average person will not gut out their interior often. There's no reason to unless you're a weekend track driver. Despite the fact if they wanted that they would have purchased a true stripped down interior, sports car. Most people buy cars for their driving comfort or preference. Ease of use, ergonomics and material quality are usually big factors in car buying. Some people like the plush isolated feel, some people don't really care. It's all preferential.
And the average person has no bussiness being inside a car, much less driving one, but ey you dont see me pointing that out. I look at it this way nissan has lighter cars then toyota since they dont stuff their cabins with dead weight.
05-27-05 | 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I've sat/driven/ridden in pretty much every new Nissan/Infiniti. I OWNED a 1989 Nissan Sentra. I kid you not, most of the new interiors are of no better quality or materials than that 16 year old car, which is SAD. There should be no doubt in my mind in 16 years and in the much more expensive cars, the interiors are far superior. They are not. Deal with it. Its not an exaggeration, EVERY magazine on earth has commented that is not their strong point.
Some people simply do not care about that. Some people can't tell the difference between fake wood grain(plood) and the real thing. Some people don't look at panel gaps. Some can't hear the difference in closing a car door and one made of tin. Some don't care.
I do.
What is a less manuverable vehicle?
Some people simply do not care about that. Some people can't tell the difference between fake wood grain(plood) and the real thing. Some people don't look at panel gaps. Some can't hear the difference in closing a car door and one made of tin. Some don't care.
I do.
What is a less manuverable vehicle?
05-27-05 | 05:46 PM
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I wouldn't say the whole Acura lineup is solid when the TL is falling apart, and tranny problems on all 5speed vehicles Honda sells.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
and what if the GT-R stays a Nissan? I am really thinking they might make 2 cars, since Nissan shares everything. I am thinking a extreme hardcore GT-R and than an Infinitii version, say a Y32 or something, where it keeps the GT-R features but adds luxury.
Kind of how the G35 is a 350Z 2+2. I think that would be a good move.
As for a Q45, it doesn't matter, it won't sell. Look at the Acura RL, great car, tons better than before, the whole Acura lineup is solid, yet the RL is selling below expecations. The Audi A8 is a wonderful car and can't come close to 7/S/LS sales. The Jag XJ is all aluminum and a great car, its selling slow.
At that price its about PRESTIGE, not slalom times.
The market is very saturated right now.
As for SUVs making the majority of sales well guess what bub.
1. The MAJORITy of ALL new sales are SUVs now.
2. Looks like Infinti will have a bargain basement SUV under the FX, giving them 3 SUVs ala Lexus but at lower prices.
3. Lexus saw what the market wanted and helped make luxury SUVs so popular today. Where everyone now wants more than one SUV in their lineup
Kind of how the G35 is a 350Z 2+2. I think that would be a good move.
As for a Q45, it doesn't matter, it won't sell. Look at the Acura RL, great car, tons better than before, the whole Acura lineup is solid, yet the RL is selling below expecations. The Audi A8 is a wonderful car and can't come close to 7/S/LS sales. The Jag XJ is all aluminum and a great car, its selling slow.
At that price its about PRESTIGE, not slalom times.
The market is very saturated right now.
As for SUVs making the majority of sales well guess what bub.
1. The MAJORITy of ALL new sales are SUVs now.
2. Looks like Infinti will have a bargain basement SUV under the FX, giving them 3 SUVs ala Lexus but at lower prices.
3. Lexus saw what the market wanted and helped make luxury SUVs so popular today. Where everyone now wants more than one SUV in their lineup
05-27-05 | 05:49 PM
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BIG WORD, PARTNERSHIP. They did not buy Nissan.
Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
http://www.france.diplomatie.gouv.fr...ref03/eco.html
Renault buys up Nissan
n March 27, 1999, Louis Schweitzer, CEO of Renault, and Yoshikazu Hanawa, CEO of the Japanese Group Nissan Motor, signed an agreement, in Tokyo, on a global partnership to help regulate Nissan's financial situation and stimulate the growth of both partners. In buying up the Japanese car manufacturer, the French Group Renault not only takes up the most important challenge ever attempted by a French company, it also seals the biggest takeover of a Japanese company by a foreign group.
Renault buys up Nissan.
Together, Renault and Nissan will become the world's fourth largest car manufacturers, with a market share of 9.1% and a production of 4.8 million vehicles a year. Together, the two companies hope to generate new synergetic effects and thereby cut costs estimated at FF 20 bn (3 bn euros*) over the period 2000-2002.
Renault buys up Nissan
n March 27, 1999, Louis Schweitzer, CEO of Renault, and Yoshikazu Hanawa, CEO of the Japanese Group Nissan Motor, signed an agreement, in Tokyo, on a global partnership to help regulate Nissan's financial situation and stimulate the growth of both partners. In buying up the Japanese car manufacturer, the French Group Renault not only takes up the most important challenge ever attempted by a French company, it also seals the biggest takeover of a Japanese company by a foreign group.
Renault buys up Nissan.
Together, Renault and Nissan will become the world's fourth largest car manufacturers, with a market share of 9.1% and a production of 4.8 million vehicles a year. Together, the two companies hope to generate new synergetic effects and thereby cut costs estimated at FF 20 bn (3 bn euros*) over the period 2000-2002.
05-27-05 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Inabj2
And the average person has no bussiness being inside a car, much less driving one, but ey you dont see me pointing that out. I look at it this way nissan has lighter cars then toyota since they dont stuff their cabins with dead weight.
05-27-05 | 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by G35_TX
2nd year for the Titan and its already selling that many. So its doing very very good. BTW, I live in SA... I know about Toyota coming!
That isn't bad for Nissan, Tundra has been out longer you would expect them to be selling a bit more. But the way the numbers are climbing it won't be long before Nissan passes Toyota on sales.
That isn't bad for Nissan, Tundra has been out longer you would expect them to be selling a bit more. But the way the numbers are climbing it won't be long before Nissan passes Toyota on sales.
SA is a nice place. I have family out there. Go Spurs Go!
05-27-05 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by G35_TX
Correction, French only owns 47% or around that of Nissan. Nissan never got bought by Renault. They just merged and helped Nissan come out of the hole where GM is headed at this moment.
If he didn't care about the interiors, how come he is fixing the interiors now on the cars? The new 05 G35 is much better now with nothing cheap inside. It's actually nicer than the older IS300.
05-27-05 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by G35_TX
BIG WORD, PARTNERSHIP. They did not buy Nissan.
"In buying up the Japanese car manufacturer, the French Group Renault not only takes up the most important challenge ever attempted by a French company, it also seals the biggest takeover of a Japanese company by a foreign group.