Nissan Altima with OEM 2GS spoiler
07-27-05, 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Neo
I have no problem accepting this opinion. 
I was just curious about the whole FWD and spoilers generalization. 
I was just curious about the whole FWD and spoilers generalization. Yeah i dont get it either. Flip, please explain. May be i should go out now and take off the spoiler from my RSX.
I actually think the car looks OK. not that bad.
07-27-05, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by rominl
acura tl has spoiler
nissan maxima has spoiler
toyota camry has spoiler
does mini have spoiler?
how about the beetle?
nissan maxima has spoiler
toyota camry has spoiler
does mini have spoiler?
how about the beetle?
may be those should taken off too? ?
07-27-05, 04:14 AM
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Why would someone do that. Im sure he could have found an aftermarket spoiler to put on it It doesnt fit right and doesnt look right. And the chrysler logo. This guy must not know what he drives
It doesnt fit right and doesnt look right. And the chrysler logo. This guy must not know what he drives
07-27-05, 06:21 AM
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what difference does it make if the spoiler is on a fwd or rwd car? spoilers or wings are used to give downforce and aid in high-speed stability. they are used by both rwd and fwd in touring car races.
in racing applications, they make sense but for production vehicles, they are mainly aesthetic. early american muscle cars that competed in nascar needed huge wings because they struggled to put the power down to the rear wheels. that was because they had massive cast-iron engines that made the front so heavy.
nowadays, i dont think any production rwd vehicle today has that problem. if you think about what cars are rwd these days, most of them weigh 3500 lbs or more with a weight distribution of around 60%fr/40%r so they have no trouble putting the power to the rear wheels. adding a spoiler to a rwd car then wouldn't help much in putting the power down. if anything, having subs and amps in the trunk can give more dynamic load to the rear than then could a spoiler.
fwd cars have around a 90/10 weight distribution so there is little load on the rear wheels. this is apparent if you ever see a fwd car taking a corner on only three wheels. so it helps to have downforce to keep the rear wheels planted. also, under heavy braking, the downforce can help the rear wheels put down braking force to the ground.
in racing applications, they make sense but for production vehicles, they are mainly aesthetic. early american muscle cars that competed in nascar needed huge wings because they struggled to put the power down to the rear wheels. that was because they had massive cast-iron engines that made the front so heavy.
nowadays, i dont think any production rwd vehicle today has that problem. if you think about what cars are rwd these days, most of them weigh 3500 lbs or more with a weight distribution of around 60%fr/40%r so they have no trouble putting the power to the rear wheels. adding a spoiler to a rwd car then wouldn't help much in putting the power down. if anything, having subs and amps in the trunk can give more dynamic load to the rear than then could a spoiler.
fwd cars have around a 90/10 weight distribution so there is little load on the rear wheels. this is apparent if you ever see a fwd car taking a corner on only three wheels. so it helps to have downforce to keep the rear wheels planted. also, under heavy braking, the downforce can help the rear wheels put down braking force to the ground.
07-27-05, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckb
from this angle is doesn't look completely horrible.
but his looks like crap.
but his looks like crap.
Fitment is very poor. Guy should have done some test fitting. Then he would have realized (maybe) that it doesn't fit correctly!
07-27-05, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FLiP Sp33d
what difference does it make if the spoiler is on a fwd or rwd car? spoilers or wings are used to give downforce and aid in high-speed stability. they are used by both rwd and fwd in touring car races.
Originally Posted by FLiP Sp33d
fwd cars have around a 90/10 weight distribution so there is little load on the rear wheels. this is apparent if you ever see a fwd car taking a corner on only three wheels. so it helps to have downforce to keep the rear wheels planted. also, under heavy braking, the downforce can help the rear wheels put down braking force to the ground.
07-27-05, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FLiP Sp33d
what difference does it make if the spoiler is on a fwd or rwd car? spoilers or wings are used to give downforce and aid in high-speed stability. they are used by both rwd and fwd in touring car races.
fwd cars have around a 90/10 weight distribution so there is little load on the rear wheels. this is apparent if you ever see a fwd car taking a corner on only three wheels. so it helps to have downforce to keep the rear wheels planted. also, under heavy braking, the downforce can help the rear wheels put down braking force to the ground.
The reason why you see many FWD cars specifically VW Golf/GTi react they way they do in hard corner is due to its weight distribution, chassis/suspension design and wheelbase. Even if I were to put super stiff sways and set my coilovers to the firmest setting, I will get 3 wheel motion with my IS300 despite the fact it's RWD. The stiff sways and springs basically cancels the idea of a 4 wheel independent suspension..which will allow the rear wheels to lift under hard cornering and sometimes the front wheel.
I thought rear wings helped in downforce during high speeds since cars usually lose stability and traction going at that rate. I did not study physics or engineering in college, but from my basic physics understanding, as you decrease your speed, lower wind resistance/coefficient of drag which equates to less airflow going over the car. Not trying to discredit your theory, just need a better understanding/explanation.
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07-27-05, 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DC52E55
Yeah i dont get it either. Flip, please explain. May be i should go out now and take off the spoiler from my RSX.
I actually think the car looks OK. not that bad.
I actually think the car looks OK. not that bad.
07-27-05, 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenthar
I dont get his reasoning for why a FWD car shouldnt have a spoiler either
07-28-05, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by flipside909
True but when did a regular family sedan need stability driving 65 mph on the freeway? Sure they maybe racing to get the first parking spot...but they're only going at the most 35mph in a parking lot.
90/10 huh? Which car is this" My Solara (remember that you dug a few years ago) that is very similar to your MCV20 ES300 has a weight distribution somewhere between 70/30 and 60/40. I don't recall the exact numbers. If a FWD car had a 90/10 weight distribution, the car would tip forward and never accellerate correctly.
The reason why you see many FWD cars specifically VW Golf/GTi react they way they do in hard corner is due to its weight distribution, chassis/suspension design and wheelbase. Even if I were to put super stiff sways and set my coilovers to the firmest setting, I will get 3 wheel motion with my IS300 despite the fact it's RWD. The stiff sways and springs basically cancels the idea of a 4 wheel independent suspension..which will allow the rear wheels to lift under hard cornering and sometimes the front wheel.
I thought rear wings helped in downforce during high speeds since cars usually lose stability and traction going at that rate. I did not study physics or engineering in college, but from my basic physics understanding, as you decrease your speed, lower wind resistance/coefficient of drag which equates to less airflow going over the car. Not trying to discredit your theory, just need a better understanding/explanation.
90/10 huh? Which car is this" My Solara (remember that you dug a few years ago) that is very similar to your MCV20 ES300 has a weight distribution somewhere between 70/30 and 60/40. I don't recall the exact numbers. If a FWD car had a 90/10 weight distribution, the car would tip forward and never accellerate correctly.
The reason why you see many FWD cars specifically VW Golf/GTi react they way they do in hard corner is due to its weight distribution, chassis/suspension design and wheelbase. Even if I were to put super stiff sways and set my coilovers to the firmest setting, I will get 3 wheel motion with my IS300 despite the fact it's RWD. The stiff sways and springs basically cancels the idea of a 4 wheel independent suspension..which will allow the rear wheels to lift under hard cornering and sometimes the front wheel.
I thought rear wings helped in downforce during high speeds since cars usually lose stability and traction going at that rate. I did not study physics or engineering in college, but from my basic physics understanding, as you decrease your speed, lower wind resistance/coefficient of drag which equates to less airflow going over the car. Not trying to discredit your theory, just need a better understanding/explanation.
sure, decreasing speed lowers airflow going over the car for the wing to generate downforce. imagine decreasing speed at high speeds, 120 or whatever. just using the brake you'll decelerate to 110, 100, 90, 80 in increments of a couple of seconds (unless you drive an enzo). even though the speed is still decreasing, there is still substantial airflow for the wing to create downforce, aiding the rear wheels to apply braking power.
there are a lot of threads in other forums about people bashing spoilers on fwd. maybe you were influenced by them or by people who just hate fwd. whether you agree with what i posted or not, at least you have something to think about before you start saying spoilers on fwd are stupid.
07-28-05, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by FLiP Sp33d
there are a lot of threads in other forums about people bashing spoilers on fwd. maybe you were influenced by them or by people who just hate fwd. whether you agree with what i posted or not, at least you have something to think about before you start saying spoilers on fwd are stupid.
I do know you don't need a huge rear spoiler to assist with braking or aerodynamics for everyday driving. You're not decelerating from 100+ speeds to enter a hairpin corner on a daily driven vehicle. Asthetics okay fine..but performance...unless you're circuit racing for a title or prize money..it's basically pointless.