I agree with you ICEMAN. All bias aside, Acura's and Lexus's have that same tradition of buiding motors/cars that last forever. With 77K miles, my 02TL-S still ran like the day it was new. Say what you want about the CL-S, but the J32A2 motor is one of the best V6's ever produced IMHO. I remember when the CL-S first came out, articles would rave about the engine. How could you not love that VTEC roar of the slightly modded J32A2?

VIDEO CL-S 0-100 MPH

G35_Tx is a notorious hypocrit on the internet, so dont be bothered by him ICEMAN. Just one example---(his old screenname was SilverBulletCLS on acurazine).
Here's one where he says he likes the 3rd gen TL better than the G35 :
http://tl.acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70110
Many more instances can be found on maxima forums, but I'm not going to embarass the guy...

 

Hey....buddy... Earth to you... We never said anything about the engine not being awesome. I totally agree with you that it is an awesome, smoothe, powerful engine. We are talking about the transmission problems. Do you have anything constructive to say about that?
That is great that your 02 TL made it to 77K without having to replace the tranny, but many don't make it that far.

 

please stop your name calling, it's not going to help a bit. if you have anything constructive to say, please do. but what you did is just going to flame it more. everyone please stay on topic. anything OT and this thread is closed

 

Ahh attacking me now eh? But I proved you wrong. So why you attacking me because I am right? LOL. Don't need to be calling me names young lad. At least I back my statements up. I don't see anything wrong with the truth in that post. Everything was right on the money with what everyone else knows. I never said the TL had a crappy interior, or was crappy period except for the Tranny. lol. But my 05 G35 makes up for the interior complaints and noise.

 

How am I supposed to prove a negative? Prove to me that Nissan DOESN'T inflate all their HP figures. The burden of proof is on the person making the claim. In this case, that some large percentage of Acura CL/TL/MDX and Honda Odyssey transmissions fail prematurely.

Your so-called evidence is a guy with one post on an Acura website talking about a class-action suit. And a bunch of posts, again from an internet message board, talking about Odyssey problems. Do you believe everything you read on the net?

You haven't proven a thing except that you get defensive when called on the mat. That's usually a sign of lack of faith in one's position anyway.

 

Of course, but you mentioned that, on your recommendation, your aunt bought a 3.0CL and had a transmission failure and that even the new one is acting up. I'm just countering that by saying that (knock on fake wood), mine has been fine.

You did correctly point out the fact (one of the only facts we can all agree on!) that Honda extended the warranties on these vehicles. But that fact could be interpreted to mean one of two things: 1) the transmissions did have an inherent design flaw that led to some (but not most) of them failing in a non-dangerous way, or 2) there was a mistaken PERCEPTION that they had a transmission problem and American Honda, in typical fashion, chose to proactively head off the issue in the interest of good PR and customer goodwill.

Personally I believe that #1 is the case, that there WAS something wrong with that design, but what I have been arguing here is that the extent of the problem has been blown way out of proportion and probably shouldn't seriously impact the OP's purchase decision. It's like people talking about how "delicate" plasma screens are. All it takes is one person who's buddy drops his new TV while installing it, complains about how easily it broke, it gets posted on the net, and suddenly people who have no clue what they're talking about think they are authoritative experts on the failure rate of plasma screens. And they conveniently forget about how they all seem to survive transport within the factory, shipping across the Pacific, trucking and train movement to warehouses across the U.S., shipment to retailers, and the thousands upon thousands that are taken home and installed with no problem.

 

Iceman... How long have you been online for? Anyone who is somewhat smart and has been on the internet for a good amount of time should easily be able to decipher what is fact and what is fiction.

The transmission problems in the TL/CL is a fact. Do you really think that thousands of people are going to make up stories of their tranny's failing and post that online, and even sign a petition pleading for Acura to fix the problem?

 

I haven't proven a thing? Or your just ignoring the fact which is obvious.

Nissan has always underated there engines especially the VQ. All dyno tests have proven this and 1/4 times.

I know people with Odysseys, and they have also been through trannys which are also NOT on the forum.

 

you know, you guys NEVER listen, period. i posted clearly in my post that i DO NOT want to see anymore name calling. i just want to see the thread getting back on track and back on topic about the car, acura cl-s

but you guys do not listen, never. all i see is completely finger pointing, and i start to see stuff about infiniti and what not. what the is that, did i NOT make myself clear?

260hp, you get a warning for starting all these. before your post, everything was still ok, i still saw good info and facts going back and forth. you started the name calling and you KNEW excatly what's going to follow.

g35, you get a warning for continue to fight back even after my warning. i know you are trying to stay on track, but you completely missed my point of the warning to stop this thread from being closed.

iceman, you get a warning for name calling and also bringing completely off topic and unnecessary information to a thread with a lot of heat. why did you just have to bring in infiniti stuff? does it have anything to do with this thread? NO. did you read my post about no name calling? NO...

i have seen enough of these threads between acura and infiniti. 90% of the time these threads end up closed. i am so tired of this and i don't want to see it anymore...