why does lexus put the starter in the intake
11-13-05, 05:23 AM
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Yep, it's under the intake manifold and it is an awful place to put it. Blame packaging on this one - cars are not designed to be fixed anymore. The Cadillac/ Olds Northstars have the starters in the same spot - and they fail often and they cost a fortune to replace. I think the idea is that by putting the starter on the "cold side" of the engine, it is less effected by the heat of the engine which generally kills starters when they are placed in the conventional spot under/ near the exhaust manifolds. Old Ford Explorers had the starter right beside the manifold and were particularly bad for needing them replaced. This theory seems to work (for Lexus at least) because the starters seem to last a long time in an LS.
11-13-05, 06:35 AM
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Its not in the Intake... Its on top of the transmission. On RWD its going to be a P.I.T.A. to change no matter what the brand. It just so happens, on a Lex, you have to remove have the engine to get to it! 
11-13-05, 12:22 PM
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Several of our past RWD Toyota's have not had starter problems. Me thinks that the engineers figured this was a low maintenance item and hence buried it under the intake plenum. The way they organized the bottom of the engine, it doesn't look like they have room for the starter down there anymore. The crossmembers and steering rack seems to lie in this area...might have been tight. Dunno...
Mine went out at somewhere around 85K miles and was a 7 bill expense.
Mine went out at somewhere around 85K miles and was a 7 bill expense.
11-13-05, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RA40
Several of our past RWD Toyota's have not had starter problems. Me thinks that the engineers figured this was a low maintenance item and hence buried it under the intake plenum. The way they organized the bottom of the engine, it doesn't look like they have room for the starter down there anymore. The crossmembers and steering rack seems to lie in this area...might have been tight. Dunno...
Mine went out at somewhere around 85K miles and was a 7 bill expense.
Mine went out at somewhere around 85K miles and was a 7 bill expense.
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11-18-05, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by RA40
Several of our past RWD Toyota's have not had starter problems. Me thinks that the engineers figured this was a low maintenance item and hence buried it under the intake plenum. The way they organized the bottom of the engine, it doesn't look like they have room for the starter down there anymore. The crossmembers and steering rack seems to lie in this area...might have been tight. Dunno...
Mine went out at somewhere around 85K miles and was a 7 bill expense.
Mine went out at somewhere around 85K miles and was a 7 bill expense.
11-18-05, 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Stage3
Its not in the Intake... Its on top of the transmission. On RWD its going to be a P.I.T.A. to change no matter what the brand. It just so happens, on a Lex, you have to remove have the engine to get to it!
Yes...but how often does a Lexus starter break? Like most Lexus parts, used with common sense, they are virtually bulletproof unless you do something really dumb like overgrind it and heat it up to the point where the solenoids cook.....and EFI, you should never have to grind more than a second or two anyway unless it has been sitting for weeks.
11-18-05, 05:16 PM
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Its a bad location due to the heat trap, but its not that hard to change out the starter.
Took me an hour and a half to change mine out with a new starter from ebay.
Just the most basic tools could do it.
Took me an hour and a half to change mine out with a new starter from ebay.
Just the most basic tools could do it.
11-18-05, 05:27 PM
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It may also be that hard-to-get place on purpose...to keep it sheltered from road salt spray in the winter.......one of the chief reasons why starter cables and wiring corrode.
11-24-05, 05:50 PM
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My question is why the hell were the heads of those two bolts on the side closer to the tranny? They are damn near inaccessible! instead 
. Toyota should have placed the bolts in such a way that the heads were on the side of the timing belt facing the tranny. In this way (1) i would not have busted up my damn fingers banging them on metal trying to twist like a damn pretzel to get at those damn bolts; (2) I would not have had to remove the engine wire housing unit nor the rear water by-pass joint and pipe; (3) I would not want to get my damn hands around that engineer's neck 
. Toyota could have made the life of its own techs and DYIs so much simpler and not change the design or the location of the starter.
Do y'all you all agree?
I just took the starter out over the holiday and getting the bolts off was painful...very painful.
Bill
. Toyota should have placed the bolts in such a way that the heads were on the side of the timing belt facing the tranny. In this way (1) i would not have busted up my damn fingers banging them on metal trying to twist like a damn pretzel to get at those damn bolts; (2) I would not have had to remove the engine wire housing unit nor the rear water by-pass joint and pipe; (3) I would not want to get my damn hands around that engineer's neck . Toyota could have made the life of its own techs and DYIs so much simpler and not change the design or the location of the starter.Do y'all you all agree?
I just took the starter out over the holiday and getting the bolts off was painful...very painful.
Bill
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