Review: 2006 Acura RL
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
I totally take blame for my error. I was 18 years old, and quite frankly, so happy to drive off in the car I wanted, I just signed away the documents.
Ten years later, I know a lot more now
Great points JG
As for the haggling, well thats the business. Its a very competitive business and even more so with the internet. Even here, people ask for contacts, where to buy, etc.
If you think that the price your selling for is to low, they can go elsewhere. Someone will buy that car eventually. Though that is easy for me to say.
Trust me I know, I've been in sales since I was 20, so I know about quotas and hitting revenue targets etc. Only when I was in telecommunications, did we have the opportunity to "haggle" and meet or beat a competitors deal (And that was the UNDOING of that industry, 3 cents a minute LD etc, lol).
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Great points JG
As for the haggling, well thats the business. Its a very competitive business and even more so with the internet. Even here, people ask for contacts, where to buy, etc.
If you think that the price your selling for is to low, they can go elsewhere. Someone will buy that car eventually. Though that is easy for me to say.
Trust me I know, I've been in sales since I was 20, so I know about quotas and hitting revenue targets etc. Only when I was in telecommunications, did we have the opportunity to "haggle" and meet or beat a competitors deal (And that was the UNDOING of that industry, 3 cents a minute LD etc, lol).
Back to the Acura. I think anyone that drives that car will love it. I thought the same thing when I saw the RL, a big copy of the Honda Accord. The car is a drivers car all the way. I still think if they advertised it more it would sell better. At $45 - $49K looks aside nothing else comes close. I remember how I just was not feeling the style of the 1st Gen GS300 Lexus years ago. . But it grew on me. I still think the TL and RL are kinda a long way that Honda/Acura have come. They don't have some thing that other cars in the class have but, they do have some things that no other cars have. BTW I think Lexus copied the intergrated exhaust cut out on the new LS460 from the TL.
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Originally Posted by jgscott
BTW I think Lexus copied the intergrated exhaust cut out on the new LS460 from the TL.
I have a feeling that this thread is not going to die anytime soon...
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Originally Posted by newr
HAHAHAHAHA. you don't want to go there....
I have a feeling that this thread is not going to die anytime soon...
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I have a feeling that this thread is not going to die anytime soon...
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but but but....lexus > all so therefore Acura stole the design and put it on their TL before lexus used it! oh noes!!
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EDIT: oh wait..the LS460 "borrowed" some styling cues from the BMW 7-series too. heh.
*flame suit on*
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Well I proved that theory wrong of the LS copying the TL here.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...6&page=2&pp=15
Two totally different designs and approaches.
You can pay me later
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Two totally different designs and approaches.
You can pay me later
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Well I proved that theory wrong of the LS copying the TL here.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...6&page=2&pp=15
Two totally different designs and approaches.
You can pay me later
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Two totally different designs and approaches.
You can pay me later
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I believe he was talking about the A-Spec Package TL. While the shape and everything is different, both the A-Spec TL and LS have basically the same integrated bumper/exhause thing going on. No big deal. I kind of like the flater shape on the LS better than the triangle like shape on the TL. Anyway, you can clearly see that both have the chrome surround as part of the bumper and the exhaust tips within them.
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I had one and its a POS. The first time i opened the sunroof the whole headliner fell because it was held by velcro and the wind tore it up. The subwoofer started rattling. The transmisson went at 3,000 miles. The shifter started rattling soon after. The leather seats started to rip and mind you i am only 170lbs. Then the glovebox came loose and started rattling. Both front speakers became distorted and needed new ones. The whole time there were flatspots and hydroplaning with the tires and they wouldnt change the tires until i slapped em with a lawsuit, oh and as soon i slapped them with a lawsuit, all of a sudden they decided to take my car with 15,000miles and replace it with a new one!!!! I said no thankyou and got my money back and bought a bentley! What a car!
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Originally Posted by dshahs420
I had one and its a POS. The first time i opened the sunroof the whole headliner fell because it was held by velcro and the wind tore it up. The subwoofer started rattling. The transmisson went at 3,000 miles. The shifter started rattling soon after. The leather seats started to rip and mind you i am only 170lbs. Then the glovebox came loose and started rattling. Both front speakers became distorted and needed new ones. The whole time there were flatspots and hydroplaning with the tires and they wouldnt change the tires until i slapped em with a lawsuit, oh and as soon i slapped them with a lawsuit, all of a sudden they decided to take my car with 15,000miles and replace it with a new one!!!! I said no thankyou and got my money back and bought a bentley! What a car!
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I think Acura desperately needs to do something to the RL if they want it to sell. Currently the Avalon and eventually the new Camry will both rape it in sales. You can get near equal luxury in the Avalon (not to mention Toyota quality) vs. the RL for 20k less. No wonder the Avalons are selling like hotcakes and the RL is left to bite its dust.
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Originally Posted by NYLexSC
I think Acura desperately needs to do something to the RL if they want it to sell. Currently the Avalon and eventually the new Camry will both rape it in sales. You can get near equal luxury in the Avalon (not to mention Toyota quality) vs. the RL for 20k less. No wonder the Avalons are selling like hotcakes and the RL is left to bite its dust.
Also, I do not think that the current Avalon should be your example of Toyota quality.
As for Acura, their current plan is to sell a version w/out Navi. Unless they plan on selling it for $39k, I do not see how that is going to help. It really looks like Acura just threw this RL out there bc they already had it made for other countries & they do not care how it does in the US.
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Originally Posted by GS69
Is comparing the sales of the RL to a Camry or Avalon fair? That would be like saying "The Accord is spanking the GS300 in sales". Now, commenting that the GS300 sells twice as many RLs - that would be more appropriate me thinks.
Also, I do not think that the current Avalon should be your example of Toyota quality.
As for Acura, their current plan is to sell a version w/out Navi. Unless they plan on selling it for $39k, I do not see how that is going to help. It really looks like Acura just threw this RL out there bc they already had it made for other countries & they do not care how it does in the US.
Also, I do not think that the current Avalon should be your example of Toyota quality.
As for Acura, their current plan is to sell a version w/out Navi. Unless they plan on selling it for $39k, I do not see how that is going to help. It really looks like Acura just threw this RL out there bc they already had it made for other countries & they do not care how it does in the US.
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I think the RL's main problem is the TL.
They're both based on the same platform
TL has a bit more room inside
TL has better acceleration
TL arguably has more "edgy" styling
TL's interior is almost as nice as the RL's interior
TL's stereo is almost as nice as the RL's stereo
The RL's main advantage is the AWD and better handling, but the TL is FWD anyway, so it does decently well in snow.
So people go into an Acura showroom and think to themselves, why should I pay $12,000 more for the RL?
There's a reason why the TL is a best-seller in its segment, and the RL is a worst-seller in its segment.
They're both based on the same platform
TL has a bit more room inside
TL has better acceleration
TL arguably has more "edgy" styling
TL's interior is almost as nice as the RL's interior
TL's stereo is almost as nice as the RL's stereo
The RL's main advantage is the AWD and better handling, but the TL is FWD anyway, so it does decently well in snow.
So people go into an Acura showroom and think to themselves, why should I pay $12,000 more for the RL?
There's a reason why the TL is a best-seller in its segment, and the RL is a worst-seller in its segment.
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Originally Posted by GS69
Is comparing the sales of the RL to a Camry or Avalon fair? That would be like saying "The Accord is spanking the GS300 in sales". Now, commenting that the GS300 sells twice as many RLs - that would be more appropriate me thinks.
Also, I do not think that the current Avalon should be your example of Toyota quality.
As for Acura, their current plan is to sell a version w/out Navi. Unless they plan on selling it for $39k, I do not see how that is going to help. It really looks like Acura just threw this RL out there bc they already had it made for other countries & they do not care how it does in the US.
Also, I do not think that the current Avalon should be your example of Toyota quality.
As for Acura, their current plan is to sell a version w/out Navi. Unless they plan on selling it for $39k, I do not see how that is going to help. It really looks like Acura just threw this RL out there bc they already had it made for other countries & they do not care how it does in the US.
I don't think its at all equivalent to saying the Accord spanks the GS, they are completely different cars. The Accord is not nearly as luxurious as any GS. I think the fact that Toyota was able to make a luxury car here that compares equally to the RL even in performance for a lot cheaper is grounds for comparison. The accord doesn't ride like nor have the luxury that the GS does, and you know it. Maybe the top of the line Accord has similar performance, but its nowhere near a GS. The differences between the Avalon and the RL however are not that vast, the largest difference lies in pricing.
Perhaps my comparison to the Camry was a stretch, but I certainly think its fair to compare the Avalon to the RL. I know Acura lost our bid for the RL to the Avalon, and I'm sure we weren't the only ones to choose the Avalon over the RL.
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Originally Posted by CK6Speed
$39K for an RL even without navi is too cheap. I mean, even the ES350 and IS350 can top out a good deal over $40K and the RL is a step up above in class. I'd say about $44K for non navi and $46K for navi would have been a good MSRP for the RL.
As for the Avalon, the reason I question its reliability is bc of this thread
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