GS 450h 0-60 in 5.2 seconds( nuff said!!) $54,900 (pg 3)
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I'm glad the GS450h does not come loaded only as it was first thought to be
, like the RX400h was initially.
I would like to know how much they charge for the new active stabilizer suspension system option . . . the Neiman Marcus edition at $65K must be equipped with that too . . .
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I would like to know how much they charge for the new active stabilizer suspension system option . . . the Neiman Marcus edition at $65K must be equipped with that too . . .
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Without talking about discounts, it seems to me that the base price on a new GS430 is around 52K so the hybrid is 3k more. And that is not just a pleasant surprise, that is an extremely good deal even if the exact 5.2 time or upper 20s mileage don't materialize. I really don't want to start the Acura flames again, although it seems like the RL defenders have finally limped off to lick their wounds, but if you look at Acura trying to sell the RL for 50K while Lexus is basing this car at 55K, maybe this helps people figure out why those of us here said the RL was just not in the running at that price. Like I said, I really don't want to get into figuring out package prices or the fact that the GS will carry a premium for a long, long time, but rather that Lexus has a pretty good handle on the market they are going after. Now this is not Lexus benevolence, if hybrids are going to fullfill their potential, they have some more technology to develop and they had to address their pricing. For 3K at this price point, Lexus has hit this one out of the ballpark IMO. I hope they spend some more time on the suspension but I have a lot better belief that the hybrid LS is going to really cause a lot of heartburn on the Continent. Regardless, I don't imagine this has been a very good day in Bavaria or Prussia.
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Originally Posted by RON430
Without talking about discounts, it seems to me that the base price on a new GS430 is around 52K so the hybrid is 3k more. And that is not just a pleasant surprise, that is an extremely good deal even if the exact 5.2 time or upper 20s mileage don't materialize. I really don't want to start the Acura flames again, although it seems like the RL defenders have finally limped off to lick their wounds, but if you look at Acura trying to sell the RL for 50K while Lexus is basing this car at 55K, maybe this helps people figure out why those of us here said the RL was just not in the running at that price. Like I said, I really don't want to get into figuring out package prices or the fact that the GS will carry a premium for a long, long time, but rather that Lexus has a pretty good handle on the market they are going after. Now this is not Lexus benevolence, if hybrids are going to fullfill their potential, they have some more technology to develop and they had to address their pricing. For 3K at this price point, Lexus has hit this one out of the ballpark IMO. I hope they spend some more time on the suspension but I have a lot better belief that the hybrid LS is going to really cause a lot of heartburn on the Continent. Regardless, I don't imagine this has been a very good day in Bavaria or Prussia.
Lexus continues to go upmarket, kudos to them
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
One other thing, this cars resale will probably be sensational.
jrock, great point abut the tax credit
jrock, great point abut the tax credit
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I'm glad the GS450h does not come loaded only as it was first thought to be
, like the RX400h was initially.
I would like to know how much they charge for the new active stabilizer suspension system option . . . the Neiman Marcus edition at $65K must be equipped with that too . . .
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I would like to know how much they charge for the new active stabilizer suspension system option . . . the Neiman Marcus edition at $65K must be equipped with that too . . .
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Anyone know just how much limited trunk space is eaten by the hybrid batteries?
That price is decent, but given how few of these are likely to be at dealers I expect most will be loaded and around $60K.
That price is decent, but given how few of these are likely to be at dealers I expect most will be loaded and around $60K.
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
One other thing, this cars resale will probably be sensational.
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Good for the 450h and 460, not so good for the 430...
Also the 350 probably will affect the 300.
But anyhow, isn't this Lexus' current strategy? More engine changes? How much resale difference are we talking here? Is the overall picture still stable since the more 'modern' engined car takes over as the 'value' leader?
Also the 350 probably will affect the 300.
But anyhow, isn't this Lexus' current strategy? More engine changes? How much resale difference are we talking here? Is the overall picture still stable since the more 'modern' engined car takes over as the 'value' leader?
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
Very well written! LS 460 also has VDIM II, not sure how this works but should be less intrusive is my guess.
Lexus continues to go upmarket, kudos to them
Lexus continues to go upmarket, kudos to them
We all know that we are heavily Lexus biased here but I have to think that this pricing with more actual performance data has to have sent a real wakeup call to bimmer and merc. When Lexus was launched, they could sit back and talk about their heritage but in all honesty, they have seen what Lexus can do and this technology at this price will hit them much harder today than the LS ended up doing, which was by no means minor. It is just that delivering this performance in the luxury market, at this price, with Lexus quality, will win them a lot of sales that bimmer and merc thought they couldn't lose. Let's just hope we don't wake up and find the pricing, performance, and mileage are a lot different than what it looks like it will be. Bravo. Competition benefits the consumer but Lexus has just dropped the big one in the luxury market and there isn't any real competition anywhere to be seen.
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Anyone know just how much limited trunk space is eaten by the hybrid batteries?
That price is decent, but given how few of these are likely to be at dealers I expect most will be loaded and around $60K.
That price is decent, but given how few of these are likely to be at dealers I expect most will be loaded and around $60K.
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Originally Posted by bitkahuna
Anyone know just how much limited trunk space is eaten by the hybrid batteries?
Originally Posted by Nomax2003
.. .A member of the european LOC Lexus Owner Club community had the chance to open the trunk of a GS 450h......: Big batteries!
Only 280 Liter cargo space remain avaiable (european measurement method)
So if you plan (like i do) a 2 week vacation trip with your family - better send your samsonites with UPS or FedEx to your destination...;-)
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Only 280 Liter cargo space remain avaiable (european measurement method)
So if you plan (like i do) a 2 week vacation trip with your family - better send your samsonites with UPS or FedEx to your destination...;-)
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No sense going back to look at who posted what nonsense about the LS hybrid but let's just say that with this GS h pricing, I do not believe that the LS pricing is going to have anywhere near the ridiculous prremiums that were speculated on. Without knowing great deals about the engineering particulars, you have to get the feeling that the hybrid package that Lexus mated to the V6 for the GS will just end up being mated to the 4.6 to produce the LS 600. Unless they go nuts with required options, which they don't seem to have done on the GS, the LS h is going to be very, very impressive in just about all respects, whether SWB or LWB.
We all know that we are heavily Lexus biased here but I have to think that this pricing with more actual performance data has to have sent a real wakeup call to bimmer and merc. When Lexus was launched, they could sit back and talk about their heritage but in all honesty, they have seen what Lexus can do and this technology at this price will hit them much harder today than the LS ended up doing, which was by no means minor. It is just that delivering this performance in the luxury market, at this price, with Lexus quality, will win them a lot of sales that bimmer and merc thought they couldn't lose. Let's just hope we don't wake up and find the pricing, performance, and mileage are a lot different than what it looks like it will be. Bravo. Competition benefits the consumer but Lexus has just dropped the big one in the luxury market and there isn't any real competition anywhere to be seen.
We all know that we are heavily Lexus biased here but I have to think that this pricing with more actual performance data has to have sent a real wakeup call to bimmer and merc. When Lexus was launched, they could sit back and talk about their heritage but in all honesty, they have seen what Lexus can do and this technology at this price will hit them much harder today than the LS ended up doing, which was by no means minor. It is just that delivering this performance in the luxury market, at this price, with Lexus quality, will win them a lot of sales that bimmer and merc thought they couldn't lose. Let's just hope we don't wake up and find the pricing, performance, and mileage are a lot different than what it looks like it will be. Bravo. Competition benefits the consumer but Lexus has just dropped the big one in the luxury market and there isn't any real competition anywhere to be seen.
Is this new suspension sort of like the 'anti roll' suspension thingy on the 5 and 7?
I wonder how much better the hybrid handles compared to the standard engines.
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Very well put. The introduction of hybrids will have a big affect just like the original LS.
Is this new suspension sort of like the 'anti roll' suspension thingy on the 5 and 7?
I wonder how much better the hybrid handles compared to the standard engines.
Is this new suspension sort of like the 'anti roll' suspension thingy on the 5 and 7?
I wonder how much better the hybrid handles compared to the standard engines.
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Originally Posted by enigma354
Good for the 450h and 460, not so good for the 430...
Also the 350 probably will affect the 300.
But anyhow, isn't this Lexus' current strategy? More engine changes? How much resale difference are we talking here? Is the overall picture still stable since the more 'modern' engined car takes over as the 'value' leader?
Also the 350 probably will affect the 300.
But anyhow, isn't this Lexus' current strategy? More engine changes? How much resale difference are we talking here? Is the overall picture still stable since the more 'modern' engined car takes over as the 'value' leader?