SC430 vs SC400/300
03-04-06, 08:53 AM
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SC430 vs SC400/300
Is the SC430 a next-gen version of the SC400/300, or is it a completely different model with a similar name?
What other companies have done this? MB was going to do it with the G-class before they had a change of heart. BMW is loathe to do an M1, although if that were to count, you'd have to consider all the Ford GT40's, Dodge Challengers, Chevy Camaros, and Lamborghini Miuras that had the same name after a long time gap. Lexus's nomenclature/model changeover was pretty contiguous, right?
What other companies have done this? MB was going to do it with the G-class before they had a change of heart. BMW is loathe to do an M1, although if that were to count, you'd have to consider all the Ford GT40's, Dodge Challengers, Chevy Camaros, and Lamborghini Miuras that had the same name after a long time gap. Lexus's nomenclature/model changeover was pretty contiguous, right?
03-05-06, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by rominl
imho the only similarity between them is nothing more than the word "SC". seriously, i think the cars are just too different
03-05-06, 01:04 PM
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Here's the answer, Incendiary.
The first-generation SC300/430 was built from 1991 to 2000 using either the same 3.0 straight-six that was used in the GS300 and later IS300, or the 4.0L V8 also used in the LS400. They were basically the same car with different powertrains. The SC300 for a time was available with a manual transmission. Then, production started in 1991on the completely different current second-generation 2002 SC430...an Audi TT look-alike with a metal retractible roof. ( Flip can step in if he wants to and give us the engine codes
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Two mistakes were made here, IMO. First, the gorgeous body style of the first-generation cars were dropped. They are real classics and perhaps the most beautiful cars Lexus ever built. If change was inevitable they could have at least kept it to a minimum...they didn't. Second, they dropped the SC300 line on the second-generation car and went with the 4.3 V8 only. Although the car did ( and still does ) have a stunning interior this insured that you would have to cough up at least 60-65K to get a new one. The second-generation car, without a cheaper V6 , straight-6, or non-retractible hardtop-coupe version that would have kept the price down, IMO simply became too expensive and too complex for many people...and looked goofy as well.
The first-generation SC300/430 was built from 1991 to 2000 using either the same 3.0 straight-six that was used in the GS300 and later IS300, or the 4.0L V8 also used in the LS400. They were basically the same car with different powertrains. The SC300 for a time was available with a manual transmission. Then, production started in 1991on the completely different current second-generation 2002 SC430...an Audi TT look-alike with a metal retractible roof. ( Flip can step in if he wants to and give us the engine codes
)Two mistakes were made here, IMO. First, the gorgeous body style of the first-generation cars were dropped. They are real classics and perhaps the most beautiful cars Lexus ever built. If change was inevitable they could have at least kept it to a minimum...they didn't. Second, they dropped the SC300 line on the second-generation car and went with the 4.3 V8 only. Although the car did ( and still does ) have a stunning interior this insured that you would have to cough up at least 60-65K to get a new one. The second-generation car, without a cheaper V6 , straight-6, or non-retractible hardtop-coupe version that would have kept the price down, IMO simply became too expensive and too complex for many people...and looked goofy as well.
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03-05-06, 02:35 PM
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I guess its considered the next gen car..
But I would not trade it for the next gen, ok I would, just so I could sell it and buy 5-6 5 speed sc300s in its place.
But I do believe SC which was supposed to be the coupe of the lexi strayed too far from its roots.
But I would not trade it for the next gen, ok I would, just so I could sell it and buy 5-6 5 speed sc300s in its place.
But I do believe SC which was supposed to be the coupe of the lexi strayed too far from its roots.
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Originally Posted by mmarshall
Here's the answer, Incendiary.
The first-generation SC300/430 was built from 1991 to 2000 using either the same 3.0 straight-six that was used in the GS300 and later IS300, or the 4.0L V8 also used in the LS400. They were basically the same car with different powertrains. The SC300 for a time was available with a manual transmission. Then, production started in 1991on the completely different current second-generation 2002 SC430...an Audi TT look-alike with a metal retractible roof. ( Flip can step in if he wants to and give us the engine codes )
Two mistakes were made here, IMO. First, the gorgeous body style of the first-generation cars were dropped. They are real classics and perhaps the most beautiful cars Lexus ever built. If change was inevitable they could have at least kept it to a minimum...they didn't. Second, they dropped the SC300 line on the second-generation car and went with the 4.3 V8 only. Although the car did ( and still does ) have a stunning interior this insured that you would have to cough up at least 60-65K to get a new one. The second-generation car, without a cheaper V6 , straight-6, or non-retractible hardtop-coupe version that would have kept the price down, IMO simply became too expensive and too complex for many people...and looked goofy as well.
The first-generation SC300/430 was built from 1991 to 2000 using either the same 3.0 straight-six that was used in the GS300 and later IS300, or the 4.0L V8 also used in the LS400. They were basically the same car with different powertrains. The SC300 for a time was available with a manual transmission. Then, production started in 1991on the completely different current second-generation 2002 SC430...an Audi TT look-alike with a metal retractible roof. ( Flip can step in if he wants to and give us the engine codes
)Two mistakes were made here, IMO. First, the gorgeous body style of the first-generation cars were dropped. They are real classics and perhaps the most beautiful cars Lexus ever built. If change was inevitable they could have at least kept it to a minimum...they didn't. Second, they dropped the SC300 line on the second-generation car and went with the 4.3 V8 only. Although the car did ( and still does ) have a stunning interior this insured that you would have to cough up at least 60-65K to get a new one. The second-generation car, without a cheaper V6 , straight-6, or non-retractible hardtop-coupe version that would have kept the price down, IMO simply became too expensive and too complex for many people...and looked goofy as well.
03-05-06, 10:37 PM
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It is not considered the next gen. It's a completely new car. All the other Lexus have stayed similar within the lines of their body code.
03-06-06, 12:31 AM
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I don't think Lexus is or was looking to make the SC a car for most people. I truly respect your knowledge of cars for a number of reasons. I also agree with your assesment of the SC430 resembling the TT or even MB's SLK however there is nothing goofy about the SC430. I felt that way 5 yrs ago the first time I saw one and Still share the same sentiment whenever I hop into mine and witness the numerous jaw drops and waves. That said, previous SC was beautiful in it's day but in no way did I ever see the same response/feeling 10+ yrs ago in the 1st Gen SC. just my take as a SC430 owner who obviously may have a bias but have driven both extensively enough to observe and evaluate the 2 great cars.
After a few years in the business they've gotten more reputation and respect. Now Lexus is a status mark. It's a smart buy too so you don't look like a moron with a German luxury vehicle on the side of the road waiting to be towed.
03-06-06, 01:12 AM
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10+ years ago most people were frowning upon Lexus as a brand. So of course you wouldn't get the same reaction.
After a few years in the business they've gotten more reputation and respect. Now Lexus is a status mark. It's a smart buy too so you don't look like a moron with a German luxury vehicle on the side of the road waiting to be towed.
After a few years in the business they've gotten more reputation and respect. Now Lexus is a status mark. It's a smart buy too so you don't look like a moron with a German luxury vehicle on the side of the road waiting to be towed.
yeah talk about what my wife loves about the car
03-06-06, 02:43 AM
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Here's the answer, Incendiary.
The first-generation SC300/430 was built from 1991 to 2000 using either the same 3.0 straight-six that was used in the GS300 and later IS300, or the 4.0L V8 also used in the LS400. They were basically the same car with different powertrains. The SC300 for a time was available with a manual transmission. Then, production started in 1991on the completely different current second-generation 2002 SC430...an Audi TT look-alike with a metal retractible roof. ( Flip can step in if he wants to and give us the engine codes )
Two mistakes were made here, IMO. First, the gorgeous body style of the first-generation cars were dropped. They are real classics and perhaps the most beautiful cars Lexus ever built. If change was inevitable they could have at least kept it to a minimum...they didn't. Second, they dropped the SC300 line on the second-generation car and went with the 4.3 V8 only. Although the car did ( and still does ) have a stunning interior this insured that you would have to cough up at least 60-65K to get a new one. The second-generation car, without a cheaper V6 , straight-6, or non-retractible hardtop-coupe version that would have kept the price down, IMO simply became too expensive and too complex for many people...and looked goofy as well.
The first-generation SC300/430 was built from 1991 to 2000 using either the same 3.0 straight-six that was used in the GS300 and later IS300, or the 4.0L V8 also used in the LS400. They were basically the same car with different powertrains. The SC300 for a time was available with a manual transmission. Then, production started in 1991on the completely different current second-generation 2002 SC430...an Audi TT look-alike with a metal retractible roof. ( Flip can step in if he wants to and give us the engine codes
)Two mistakes were made here, IMO. First, the gorgeous body style of the first-generation cars were dropped. They are real classics and perhaps the most beautiful cars Lexus ever built. If change was inevitable they could have at least kept it to a minimum...they didn't. Second, they dropped the SC300 line on the second-generation car and went with the 4.3 V8 only. Although the car did ( and still does ) have a stunning interior this insured that you would have to cough up at least 60-65K to get a new one. The second-generation car, without a cheaper V6 , straight-6, or non-retractible hardtop-coupe version that would have kept the price down, IMO simply became too expensive and too complex for many people...and looked goofy as well.
Style is dependant on one's taste only, yours being obvious for reasons you would only know as well as others -myself included. For all of your post in the car chat forum you should realize that regardless of how timeless a style is, eventually it will become dated and the SC300/400 sales towards the end reflect the publics opinion to the old cars not too mention the declining market for coupes in general which continue to this date-aka 645-650 series which still do not sell as well as the SC430.
A manufacturer simply cannot continue with a ,"similar" style and hope for continued success keeping in mind that a company is a company only if it is profitable and we all know how well Toyota brings home the bottom line. Lexus as well as other companies understood that the Coupe market went south quick and readjusted their target audience with the new SC. They were not interested in putting out something to appease old SC owners as the market dictated that doing so would not be profitable and Lexus brought on board many consumers that never looked at Lexus before.
Also ,just because someone cannot afford a car or is not willing to pay the entrance fee should not detract from it's real attributes that it affords for those that can acquire one. Personally I am glad that Lexus never offered a 6 cylinder in the SC430. Offering those engines just cheapens a model IMO. I am sure many here will disagree ,but an SC430 is just that, a fully loaded car with a V8 and nothing less.
Keeping in mind that I have actually owned all 3 of those.
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Originally Posted by Pearlpower
Style is dependant on one's taste only, yours being obvious for reasons you would only know as well as others -myself included. For all of your post in the car chat forum you should realize that regardless of how timeless a style is, eventually it will become dated and the SC300/400 sales towards the end reflect the publics opinion to the old cars not too mention the declining market for coupes in general which continue to this date-aka 645-650 series which still do not sell as well as the SC430.
A manufacturer simply cannot continue with a ,"similar" style and hope for continued success keeping in mind that a company is a company only if it is profitable and we all know how well Toyota brings home the bottom line. Lexus as well as other companies understood that the Coupe market went south quick and readjusted their target audience with the new SC. They were not interested in putting out something to appease old SC owners as the market dictated that doing so would not be profitable and Lexus brought on board many consumers that never looked at Lexus before.
Also ,just because someone cannot afford a car or is not willing to pay the entrance fee should not detract from it's real attributes that it affords for those that can acquire one. Personally I am glad that Lexus never offered a 6 cylinder in the SC430. Offering those engines just cheapens a model IMO. I am sure many here will disagree ,but an SC430 is just that, a fully loaded car with a V8 and nothing less.
Keeping in mind that I have actually owned all 3 of those.
A manufacturer simply cannot continue with a ,"similar" style and hope for continued success keeping in mind that a company is a company only if it is profitable and we all know how well Toyota brings home the bottom line. Lexus as well as other companies understood that the Coupe market went south quick and readjusted their target audience with the new SC. They were not interested in putting out something to appease old SC owners as the market dictated that doing so would not be profitable and Lexus brought on board many consumers that never looked at Lexus before.
Also ,just because someone cannot afford a car or is not willing to pay the entrance fee should not detract from it's real attributes that it affords for those that can acquire one. Personally I am glad that Lexus never offered a 6 cylinder in the SC430. Offering those engines just cheapens a model IMO. I am sure many here will disagree ,but an SC430 is just that, a fully loaded car with a V8 and nothing less.
Keeping in mind that I have actually owned all 3 of those.
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