2007 BMW 335i Coupe
03-05-06 | 09:34 PM
#16
Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
so BMW just woke up one day and said "hey guys lets turbo the 3.0 i6, oh it doesnt matter that we havent had a USDM turbo car for many years and we'd have to violate a long tradition of N/A engines" That shows to me, in reaction to the IS350, that the N/A potential of their i6 engine is weakening hence instead of designing a new engine lets just put some direct injection and slap on a turbo as a quick fix, and well think of something later.
03-05-06 | 10:12 PM
#17
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I don't think this is what BMW had in mind when its engineers worked on the new turbo engine.
Indeed, the U.S. M50/52, S50/52 and their counterpart in-line six engines do not produce the whopping 300+ hp that the new IS350 does.
If you flip the pages back to 13 years ago, BMW's inline six 3.0 litre in the E36 M3 was already making 286hp. For 1996, the displacement was increased to 3.2 litre and power bumped up to 321hp.
Even for the the U.S. market, BMW's outgoing E46 M3 had an inline six that made 333hp. And if my memory serves me correctly, the U.S. version E34 M5 also had an inline-six engine that made 315hp back in the early 90s.
BMW was and still is capable of making high output N/A six cylinder engines. A lot of them are just not seen in this country due to cost and lack of demand.
Jon
Indeed, the U.S. M50/52, S50/52 and their counterpart in-line six engines do not produce the whopping 300+ hp that the new IS350 does.
If you flip the pages back to 13 years ago, BMW's inline six 3.0 litre in the E36 M3 was already making 286hp. For 1996, the displacement was increased to 3.2 litre and power bumped up to 321hp.
Even for the the U.S. market, BMW's outgoing E46 M3 had an inline six that made 333hp. And if my memory serves me correctly, the U.S. version E34 M5 also had an inline-six engine that made 315hp back in the early 90s.
BMW was and still is capable of making high output N/A six cylinder engines. A lot of them are just not seen in this country due to cost and lack of demand.
Jon
Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
That shows to me, in reaction to the IS350, that the N/A potential of their i6 engine is weakening hence instead of designing a new engine lets just put some direct injection and slap on a turbo as a quick fix, and well think of something later.
03-06-06 | 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Baby ///M3
I don't think this is what BMW had in mind when its engineers worked on the new turbo engine.
Indeed, the U.S. M50/52, S50/52 and their counterpart in-line six engines do not produce the whopping 300+ hp that the new IS350 does.
If you flip the pages back to 13 years ago, BMW's inline six 3.0 litre in the E36 M3 was already making 286hp. For 1996, the displacement was increased to 3.2 litre and power bumped up to 321hp.
Even for the the U.S. market, BMW's outgoing E46 M3 had an inline six that made 333hp. And if my memory serves me correctly, the U.S. version E34 M5 also had an inline-six engine that made 315hp back in the early 90s.
BMW was and still is capable of making high output N/A six cylinder engines. A lot of them are just not seen in this country due to cost and lack of demand.
Jon
Indeed, the U.S. M50/52, S50/52 and their counterpart in-line six engines do not produce the whopping 300+ hp that the new IS350 does.
If you flip the pages back to 13 years ago, BMW's inline six 3.0 litre in the E36 M3 was already making 286hp. For 1996, the displacement was increased to 3.2 litre and power bumped up to 321hp.
Even for the the U.S. market, BMW's outgoing E46 M3 had an inline six that made 333hp. And if my memory serves me correctly, the U.S. version E34 M5 also had an inline-six engine that made 315hp back in the early 90s.
BMW was and still is capable of making high output N/A six cylinder engines. A lot of them are just not seen in this country due to cost and lack of demand.
Jon
03-06-06 | 10:56 AM
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I did not mean to sound like the IS350 doesn't have the better engine and better price than the 330i or 335i. For about the same price the BMW 3.0L NA is a worse engine than the 3.5L lexus. And the turbo 3.0L sounds about equal to the 3.5L but for a much higher price.
However there are many people who prefer the 3-series. It's the best selling luxury import car in the US. It will probably sell 2x or 3x more than the IS350/250. So this is just one way for BMW to satisfy those people who would pass on the 3-series because it's not as powerful as the IS350.
My point is, it's only a few people who even care if one car is 3 or 4 mph quicker in the 1/4 mile. Most 3-series and most IS are sold with the less powerful engine. BMW has in the past sold 3-series with a small I4 engine. And sold the 5-series with a 189 hp I6 engine for real money. So my argument is most people don't care about the 300+ hp cars. Those are for the hard core drivers who will pay extra.
Many people will spend $35K on a 325i and wouldn't give a darn that they can get a Hemi powered 340 HP 300C for the same money. Point is, many people don't care about performance or bang for the buck.
However there are many people who prefer the 3-series. It's the best selling luxury import car in the US. It will probably sell 2x or 3x more than the IS350/250. So this is just one way for BMW to satisfy those people who would pass on the 3-series because it's not as powerful as the IS350.
My point is, it's only a few people who even care if one car is 3 or 4 mph quicker in the 1/4 mile. Most 3-series and most IS are sold with the less powerful engine. BMW has in the past sold 3-series with a small I4 engine. And sold the 5-series with a 189 hp I6 engine for real money. So my argument is most people don't care about the 300+ hp cars. Those are for the hard core drivers who will pay extra.
Many people will spend $35K on a 325i and wouldn't give a darn that they can get a Hemi powered 340 HP 300C for the same money. Point is, many people don't care about performance or bang for the buck.
03-06-06 | 12:05 PM
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Wow I actually like the taillights on this one 
They're probably testing all different variants of it... 330, 325, 320, 320d, 335...
Originally Posted by magneto112
They are testing this car like crazy...
03-06-06 | 02:23 PM
#23
really dont like how the coupe door is not proportional to the body, like most coupes are, it looks like it came up short. Also why is the bottom edge of the door so high from the bottom of the car. It looks like a sedan door on a coupe body. Front and rear are beautiful then the side is a huge anticlimax
03-06-06 | 02:38 PM
#24
Originally Posted by 4TehNguyen
really dont like how the coupe door is not proportional to the body, like most coupes are, it looks like it came up short.
This is the problem with coupes that sit four/five people. It really looks much better when a coupe only sits two...
03-06-06 | 04:07 PM
#26
Originally Posted by Baby ///M3
I don't think this is what BMW had in mind when its engineers worked on the new turbo engine.
Indeed, the U.S. M50/52, S50/52 and their counterpart in-line six engines do not produce the whopping 300+ hp that the new IS350 does.
If you flip the pages back to 13 years ago, BMW's inline six 3.0 litre in the E36 M3 was already making 286hp. For 1996, the displacement was increased to 3.2 litre and power bumped up to 321hp.
Even for the the U.S. market, BMW's outgoing E46 M3 had an inline six that made 333hp. And if my memory serves me correctly, the U.S. version E34 M5 also had an inline-six engine that made 315hp back in the early 90s.
BMW was and still is capable of making high output N/A six cylinder engines. A lot of them are just not seen in this country due to cost and lack of demand.
Jon
Indeed, the U.S. M50/52, S50/52 and their counterpart in-line six engines do not produce the whopping 300+ hp that the new IS350 does.
If you flip the pages back to 13 years ago, BMW's inline six 3.0 litre in the E36 M3 was already making 286hp. For 1996, the displacement was increased to 3.2 litre and power bumped up to 321hp.
Even for the the U.S. market, BMW's outgoing E46 M3 had an inline six that made 333hp. And if my memory serves me correctly, the U.S. version E34 M5 also had an inline-six engine that made 315hp back in the early 90s.
BMW was and still is capable of making high output N/A six cylinder engines. A lot of them are just not seen in this country due to cost and lack of demand.
Jon
While this is true, keep in mind however that M3 engines were never intended to be mainstream engines. They are expensive, unreliable, picky, burn oil, very high maintenance, and just aren't suitable for an every day car.
In comparison, their regular engines have been fairly weak considering that they are a premium brand. It's just in the past year that they started to step up their game (and it's yet to be seen how it's going to affect their reliability), but still you get a lot more for your buck with Acura/Lexus/Infiniti.
03-06-06 | 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by r4z0r3ck
the tailights are the same except for the clear being replaced by red...
03-06-06 | 07:34 PM
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To me the sedan> coupe with looks, the opposite of the current one.
And if that is how it looks, the current G35 looks way better.
Duals on the bMW
I guess it would look better with bigger wheels and the stock sport suspension. Those wheels make it look cheap
And if that is how it looks, the current G35 looks way better.
Duals on the bMW
I guess it would look better with bigger wheels and the stock sport suspension. Those wheels make it look cheap
03-06-06 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Och
While this is true, keep in mind however that M3 engines were never intended to be mainstream engines. They are expensive, unreliable, picky, burn oil, very high maintenance, and just aren't suitable for an every day car.
Originally Posted by Och
In comparison, their regular engines have been fairly weak considering that they are a premium brand. It's just in the past year that they started to step up their game (and it's yet to be seen how it's going to affect their reliability), but still you get a lot more for your buck with Acura/Lexus/Infiniti.