Why can't I find a car that suits me Lexus - BMW???
#17
Originally Posted by Inabj2
nose and chin up in the air.
Status status status!!!
How about you get a car youll enjoy driving and not worry so much what the guy next to you thinks?
Status status status!!!
How about you get a car youll enjoy driving and not worry so much what the guy next to you thinks?
#18
Agree with Inabj2.
A person who needs a car to show his "status" really need to get some self esteem. A lot of people got a 7 or 8 year car loan to get themselves into a "premium brand" vehicle, living in a junk place and on cup noodles on a daily basis is just laughable to me.
I don't look down on 18-yr old kid driving a Bentley. I just blame my father for not working harder so I could have been in the same shoes of that kid.
A person who needs a car to show his "status" really need to get some self esteem. A lot of people got a 7 or 8 year car loan to get themselves into a "premium brand" vehicle, living in a junk place and on cup noodles on a daily basis is just laughable to me.
I don't look down on 18-yr old kid driving a Bentley. I just blame my father for not working harder so I could have been in the same shoes of that kid.
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IM 22.. I rent a house with 2 friends and roomates.
And my inspirational/motivational drive is going around the neighborhood looking at the big million dollar+ homes, helps me to be more motivated at work.
And I notice ... some of these people have much crappier cars then I do.. but look at their houses!
And my inspirational/motivational drive is going around the neighborhood looking at the big million dollar+ homes, helps me to be more motivated at work.
And I notice ... some of these people have much crappier cars then I do.. but look at their houses!
#21
I would never get my kid a Bentley, no matter how rich I was. They have to grow up feeling like they need to earn the things they want. Otherwise they won't be motivated to do anything, like the thousands of trust-fund babies here in NYC. I personally don't think I would enjoy my Lexus as much if it wasn't my reward to myself for years of hard work in school and at my job... But maybe that is just me.
If you can just enjoy your ride without wondering AT ALL what the next guy over thinks of you, bravo to you. I hope you only buy clothes at K-Mart, and get your hair cut at an $8 barber. But I don't think you need to accuse people of low self-esteem just because they sometimes think about the image they are projecting. Especially for people who use their car for business, image can be very important.
To the OP - I guess it depends how old you are. I think most people in their 30's and up would not view 3-series and others in its class as status cars. But both the 3 and IS are great cars, and you'll have fun with either one. You could also look at an M3 or S4 for serious fun with a decent back seat, in a slightly higher price bracket.
If you can just enjoy your ride without wondering AT ALL what the next guy over thinks of you, bravo to you. I hope you only buy clothes at K-Mart, and get your hair cut at an $8 barber. But I don't think you need to accuse people of low self-esteem just because they sometimes think about the image they are projecting. Especially for people who use their car for business, image can be very important.
To the OP - I guess it depends how old you are. I think most people in their 30's and up would not view 3-series and others in its class as status cars. But both the 3 and IS are great cars, and you'll have fun with either one. You could also look at an M3 or S4 for serious fun with a decent back seat, in a slightly higher price bracket.
#22
Originally Posted by PhilipMSPT
Thanks. Your's too. Isn't the 2008 R1 coming out with 189 hp?
With that being said, my favorite bike is still the Viffer. Comfortable enough for 400 mile days, sporty enough to drag pegs through twisties, and the V4 growl is intoxicating
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Because seems that some people are almost... well theyre noting that the entry level luxury cars do not have enough status.
Some people consider the brand themselves to be ... associated with something only succesful individuals drive.
I dunno, the guy next to me can think that if my soon to be running 240sx is a pos. That can suit him just fine.. to me its one of my street/track car, same can be said about my obsolete lexus.
Some people consider the brand themselves to be ... associated with something only succesful individuals drive.
I dunno, the guy next to me can think that if my soon to be running 240sx is a pos. That can suit him just fine.. to me its one of my street/track car, same can be said about my obsolete lexus.
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Originally Posted by helriser
As I will soon have a very prominet job or make more money
I've been thinking of what car will I get to display whatever ounce of success I'd like to display in a few months.
I have come to realize a convertible coupe is what I really want (nonthing like having your top down in the summer time. Absolutely nothing like it.) So I checked out the SC430, wonderful interior but I hate 2 seaters with a passion. Although it has 2 seats in the back, but we all know no real humans can fit back there and enjoy the ride at the same time. It got Xed out.
Is there any spie shots of the IS coupe floating around at all?
#25
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Originally Posted by newr
what make you assume so quickly that people buying these cars because of its status?
It's a C-class for godsake.... Status does not start there...
It's a C-class for godsake.... Status does not start there...
#26
Originally Posted by SteVTEC
LOL, I'm having a similar problem.
A BMW E60 5-series suits me way better than the Lexus GS does. But Lexus quality, reliaiblity, and attention to detail suits me much better than BMW's lack thereof does. I've been surfing the BMW forums and I found that BMW engines are plagued with VANOS issues. Poorly designed oil seals in the vanos actuator piston can cause erratic action of the valve timing causing powerband issues, high fuel consumption, degraded emissions, and best of all cold start / stalling issues. $1000 to fix, and the problem can recur yearly. Lovely. That's just icing on the cake to go along with all of the other i-drive and electrical issues (window regulators, door seals, etc). Will have to go sit in a GS again, and give the Infiniti M a 2nd look after this.
A BMW E60 5-series suits me way better than the Lexus GS does. But Lexus quality, reliaiblity, and attention to detail suits me much better than BMW's lack thereof does. I've been surfing the BMW forums and I found that BMW engines are plagued with VANOS issues. Poorly designed oil seals in the vanos actuator piston can cause erratic action of the valve timing causing powerband issues, high fuel consumption, degraded emissions, and best of all cold start / stalling issues. $1000 to fix, and the problem can recur yearly. Lovely. That's just icing on the cake to go along with all of the other i-drive and electrical issues (window regulators, door seals, etc). Will have to go sit in a GS again, and give the Infiniti M a 2nd look after this.
2. Door seals issue on the early E60 has also been fixed since 05. Window regulator i have yet to seen a big issue on the e60.net.
3. I-drive issue has also been resolved since late 04.
The E60 are quiet bullet proof right now.
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Originally Posted by chiawei
1. what vanos issue? There have been one or two cases that the early 545i v8 had minor issues with valvetronics. The early vanos issue from 6 years ago was minor and has been fixed.
2. Door seals issue on the early E60 has also been fixed since 05. Window regulator i have yet to seen a big issue on the e60.net.
3. I-drive issue has also been resolved since late 04.
The E60 are quiet bullet proof right now.
2. Door seals issue on the early E60 has also been fixed since 05. Window regulator i have yet to seen a big issue on the e60.net.
3. I-drive issue has also been resolved since late 04.
The E60 are quiet bullet proof right now.
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Originally Posted by chiawei
1. what vanos issue? There have been one or two cases that the early 545i v8 had minor issues with valvetronics. The early vanos issue from 6 years ago was minor and has been fixed.
roadfly.org:6-cyl double vanos problem assessment - FEB 2006
Cliffs: The VANOS piston oil seals do not hold up, bleed off pressure, and results in erratic or non-functional VANOS operation, and on certain engines cold start and stalling issues also. Can also result in degraded powerband, poor mileage, and poorer emissions also since the engines use internal EGR via double VANOS instead of external EGR on a lot of other cars. Those are not E60's, but designs and technology all carries forward.
Originally Posted by chiawei
2. Door seals issue on the early E60 has also been fixed since 05. Window regulator i have yet to seen a big issue on the e60.net.
Originally Posted by chiawei
3. I-drive issue has also been resolved since late 04.
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=103405
Here's another one: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=132416
Nice, brand new 525 with engine problems and stalling. Maybe that guy had an issue with the VANOS getting stuck due poorly designed seals.
Originally Posted by chiawei
The E60 are quiet bullet proof right now.
You have zero credibility as far as I'm concerned, and you're also the same chap that told me that an N52 could be stretched to 3.5L via a 90 mm bore with "no probems", nevermind the fact that the internal dimensions of the engine do not allow that.
https://www.clublexus.com/forums/sho...2&postcount=60
You clearly do not do your homework on things, and speak of which you simply do not know. BTW as it stands right now I'm still planning on giving the E60 a try, but it certainly won't be on your advice.
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The 5 series is a great car but no where near bullet proof. It WINS sports sedan comparos, it loses in reliablity ones. That is a fact. The 5 hasn't been recommended in CR or been near best in class for reliablity since I can remember,
You don't buy BMWs to be reliable.
You don't buy BMWs to be reliable.