Add manual transmissions to the endangered species list
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Add manual transmissions to the endangered species list
Add manual transmissions to the endangered species list
By John Pearley Huffman Email
Date posted: 04-20-2006
The best of the shiftable automatics bunch is the Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) offered in various Audis and Volkswagens, including the GTI shown here. Using dual clutches, it works splendidly with quick, precise shifts
For 2006, Honda is bucking the trend away from automatic transmissions by offering a six-speed manual in the Accord equipped with the 3.0-liter V6 engine. With this transmission aboard, the car becomes a real sport sedan where the driver is as connected to the drivetrain as he is to the steering.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=110078
By John Pearley Huffman Email
Date posted: 04-20-2006
Buy BMW's high-performance M5 sedan or M6 coupe and you get the seven-speed Sequential Manual Gearbox (SMG) in the bargain whether you like it or not. Porsche promises that its latest version of the 911 Turbo will run from zero to 60 mph in 3.7 seconds when the driver has a six-speed manual transmission to stir but only takes 3.4 seconds when there's a five-speed Tiptronic automatic aboard. Somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of the Ferrari F430s that come to America have the "F1-inspired" electronically triggered and hydraulically actuated transmission installed. Every Mercedes SLR McLaren comes with a five-speed automatic. Where the high end goes, the rest of the industry eventually follows. And the way this is going, the clutch pedal is doomed.
Automatics have outsold manual transmissions since at least the '60s, and electronic switches have been systematically replacing levers and human effort throughout the history of modern automobiles (and most of the rest of life, too). So most drivers will never miss manual transmissions when they disappear forever in the same way that they don't miss window cranks, unassisted steering or running around their car to make sure all the doors are locked. But for anyone who enjoys driving, this is bad news because we're approaching the moment when there's no direct connection between man and machine; even in cars that are supposed to be quick, entertaining and engaging, everything a driver asks them to do will be in the form of a request to computerized intermediaries. Intermediaries that virtually always put other interests ahead of the driver's will.
In a bus, cab or hearse, losing the mechanical connection between driver and drivetrain is no big deal. But in a sports car .
Losing focus
Chevrolet began planting a new optional six-speed automatic in the Corvette's hind end this year, and for the first time in a Corvette, shifts in that automatic transmission can be triggered using switches mounted on the steering wheel thumb tabs above the 9 and 3 o'clock spokes for upshifts, three-finger paddles behind those spokes for downshifts.
Puttering around town in "D" running errands, the new Corvette automatic is fine; the shifts are clean and seamless and the combination of a steeply overdriven (0.67:1) 6th gear and teeter-top 2.56:1 final drive ratio mean the engine barely turns faster than idle during a 65-mph cruise. The only hiccup comes when, accelerating from that cruise, the driver has to wait for the transmission to knock down two, three or maybe four gears to put the engine in the meat of its thick torque curve.
But for God's sake, if all you're doing is puttering around don't buy a 400-horsepower plastic two-seat sports car to do it in. Manually shifting the transmission with those triggers is an exercise in abject frustration; the upshifts take too long and the downshifts take even longer. Dive into a corner while downshifting and you're already past the apex by the time the gear you asked for is served up. And if your thumb is long enough to find that top trigger easily, seek out a zoologist and have him do a species check. It's not that the automatic-equipped Corvette isn't a blisteringly quick car (an automatic convertible C6 will rocket to 60 in 5.3 seconds just a half-second worse than a manual coupe), but the reflexes to support that speed aren't as sharp or engaging. The car feels somewhat lazy. And elements that are part of the exciting, burly full-immersion experience in the manual-tranny car (like the heavy steering) become just annoying.
The automatic Corvette is philosophically at war with itself; a sports car with an engineered-in internal contradiction. Ferraris with the F1 transmission and Porsches running the Tiptronic suffer from this same fuzzy confusion, even if they're quicker with their electronically controlled gearboxes than with manual ones. But since the new transmission's introduction, 65 percent of new Corvettes (excluding the manual-only Z06) have been delivered with it aboard. So Chevy must be happy, and those buyers likely don't know what they're missing.
Changing character
The four-seat Mustang GT is a simpler, cheaper and less focused car than the Corvette, and it suffers less when there's an automatic aboard. But it's still a drastic change in character. The automatic Mustang GT particularly in convertible form is more party barge than muscle machine. Pack some friends aboard, throw in some toys and the world's worries melt away. With a 5.9-second 0-60 time, the automatic Mustang GT convertible is still quick but it's not a car that's begging to be pushed. It's a cruiser with attitude and that is no bad thing a car that's fun in a social sense but not all that mechanically entertaining.
The manual-transmission Mustang GT, on the other hand (the right hand, which is making the shifts), is a car that when pushed, pushes back. It's an elemental car where the shifts are stout and you can feel the torque surging through the transmission with each shift. Turn the traction control off, and the hand you leave on the steering wheel feels the tire patches up front while the hand on the shifter monitors the slips and hiccups in back. Sophisticated? No way. Fun? All the time torque, horsepower and a lever stirring gears like a circus novelty act.
Protecting cars from drivers
Taking the driver out of the shifting business is good business for the manufacturers. Even the very best modern shiftable automatic VW/Audi's brilliant dual-clutch Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) will keep the driver from doing anything that might harm the drivetrain. Why even mark the red line on a tachometer if the computers won't allow it to be exceeded anyhow?
Precise computer controls make meeting emissions and fuel-economy goals more straightforward; they can protect against driver behavior that can result in warranty claims, plus the market long ago showed it preferred automatics. And in raw performance, there is less and less measurable advantage for manual transmissions. Throw in the rise of computer-dependent hybrids and other technologies and it's hard to see how manual transmissions can long survive.
Sigh. Electronics promise a lot that's good for the future of personal transportation. But we're losing something valuable, too.
Automatics have outsold manual transmissions since at least the '60s, and electronic switches have been systematically replacing levers and human effort throughout the history of modern automobiles (and most of the rest of life, too). So most drivers will never miss manual transmissions when they disappear forever in the same way that they don't miss window cranks, unassisted steering or running around their car to make sure all the doors are locked. But for anyone who enjoys driving, this is bad news because we're approaching the moment when there's no direct connection between man and machine; even in cars that are supposed to be quick, entertaining and engaging, everything a driver asks them to do will be in the form of a request to computerized intermediaries. Intermediaries that virtually always put other interests ahead of the driver's will.
In a bus, cab or hearse, losing the mechanical connection between driver and drivetrain is no big deal. But in a sports car .
Losing focus
Chevrolet began planting a new optional six-speed automatic in the Corvette's hind end this year, and for the first time in a Corvette, shifts in that automatic transmission can be triggered using switches mounted on the steering wheel thumb tabs above the 9 and 3 o'clock spokes for upshifts, three-finger paddles behind those spokes for downshifts.
Puttering around town in "D" running errands, the new Corvette automatic is fine; the shifts are clean and seamless and the combination of a steeply overdriven (0.67:1) 6th gear and teeter-top 2.56:1 final drive ratio mean the engine barely turns faster than idle during a 65-mph cruise. The only hiccup comes when, accelerating from that cruise, the driver has to wait for the transmission to knock down two, three or maybe four gears to put the engine in the meat of its thick torque curve.
But for God's sake, if all you're doing is puttering around don't buy a 400-horsepower plastic two-seat sports car to do it in. Manually shifting the transmission with those triggers is an exercise in abject frustration; the upshifts take too long and the downshifts take even longer. Dive into a corner while downshifting and you're already past the apex by the time the gear you asked for is served up. And if your thumb is long enough to find that top trigger easily, seek out a zoologist and have him do a species check. It's not that the automatic-equipped Corvette isn't a blisteringly quick car (an automatic convertible C6 will rocket to 60 in 5.3 seconds just a half-second worse than a manual coupe), but the reflexes to support that speed aren't as sharp or engaging. The car feels somewhat lazy. And elements that are part of the exciting, burly full-immersion experience in the manual-tranny car (like the heavy steering) become just annoying.
The automatic Corvette is philosophically at war with itself; a sports car with an engineered-in internal contradiction. Ferraris with the F1 transmission and Porsches running the Tiptronic suffer from this same fuzzy confusion, even if they're quicker with their electronically controlled gearboxes than with manual ones. But since the new transmission's introduction, 65 percent of new Corvettes (excluding the manual-only Z06) have been delivered with it aboard. So Chevy must be happy, and those buyers likely don't know what they're missing.
Changing character
The four-seat Mustang GT is a simpler, cheaper and less focused car than the Corvette, and it suffers less when there's an automatic aboard. But it's still a drastic change in character. The automatic Mustang GT particularly in convertible form is more party barge than muscle machine. Pack some friends aboard, throw in some toys and the world's worries melt away. With a 5.9-second 0-60 time, the automatic Mustang GT convertible is still quick but it's not a car that's begging to be pushed. It's a cruiser with attitude and that is no bad thing a car that's fun in a social sense but not all that mechanically entertaining.
The manual-transmission Mustang GT, on the other hand (the right hand, which is making the shifts), is a car that when pushed, pushes back. It's an elemental car where the shifts are stout and you can feel the torque surging through the transmission with each shift. Turn the traction control off, and the hand you leave on the steering wheel feels the tire patches up front while the hand on the shifter monitors the slips and hiccups in back. Sophisticated? No way. Fun? All the time torque, horsepower and a lever stirring gears like a circus novelty act.
Protecting cars from drivers
Taking the driver out of the shifting business is good business for the manufacturers. Even the very best modern shiftable automatic VW/Audi's brilliant dual-clutch Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) will keep the driver from doing anything that might harm the drivetrain. Why even mark the red line on a tachometer if the computers won't allow it to be exceeded anyhow?
Precise computer controls make meeting emissions and fuel-economy goals more straightforward; they can protect against driver behavior that can result in warranty claims, plus the market long ago showed it preferred automatics. And in raw performance, there is less and less measurable advantage for manual transmissions. Throw in the rise of computer-dependent hybrids and other technologies and it's hard to see how manual transmissions can long survive.
Sigh. Electronics promise a lot that's good for the future of personal transportation. But we're losing something valuable, too.
The best of the shiftable automatics bunch is the Direct Shift Gearbox (DSG) offered in various Audis and Volkswagens, including the GTI shown here. Using dual clutches, it works splendidly with quick, precise shifts
For 2006, Honda is bucking the trend away from automatic transmissions by offering a six-speed manual in the Accord equipped with the 3.0-liter V6 engine. With this transmission aboard, the car becomes a real sport sedan where the driver is as connected to the drivetrain as he is to the steering.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=110078
Last edited by magneto112; 04-21-06 at 08:50 AM.
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Originally Posted by magneto112
[For 2006, Honda is bucking the trend away from automatic transmissions by offering a six-speed manual in the Accord equipped with the 3.0-liter V6 engine. With this transmission aboard, the car becomes a real sport sedan where the driver is as connected to the drivetrain as he is to the steering.[/I]
Interesting article though. It's true that the DSG and the SMG are better than a manual for racing since they'll shift faster than any human ever will, but I still think there's no beating the experience of wind in your hair, one hand on the wheel, one on the shifter, left leg clutch, right leg gas flying around a turn.
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Ive driven both SMG and 6 speed E46 M3s, this is probably the best comparison I can think of because both cars were identical in year and about 3k difference in milage. So I really got a feel of the differences in the two transmissions. I must say the 6 speed is more fun, however, the shifts with the smg seem more precise and it would be a much more practical alternative for occassional traffic. I think it also adds some pleasure to driving these luxury sports coupes/sedans because you get, for the most part, the same performance but much more effortlessly.
I remember a while back watching Speed Channel and seeing a program about AMG and they talked about the technology in the motors, bulding process, etc, they also mentioned breifly something about how their primary concern was mating it to the best automatic tranny possible. I forgot the reasoning behind their auto vs manual but it was interesting.
I remember a while back watching Speed Channel and seeing a program about AMG and they talked about the technology in the motors, bulding process, etc, they also mentioned breifly something about how their primary concern was mating it to the best automatic tranny possible. I forgot the reasoning behind their auto vs manual but it was interesting.
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Anyone who tells me the reason they chose to buy a BMW or Porsche is for an engaging, driver involving experience, but chose anything other than a true manual transmission with a foot clutch, is LOL for me There's more to just controlling the shifting in the enjoyment of driving a sports/sporty car, but to me it's one of the most important part.
So the tiptronic on the 997 turbo is 0.3 sec. faster 0-60, so what if I can't get the best enjoyment out of the car without a true manual, it's not like any serious money or trophy is at stake for the fastest possible times even if you take it to the track . . .
So the tiptronic on the 997 turbo is 0.3 sec. faster 0-60, so what if I can't get the best enjoyment out of the car without a true manual, it's not like any serious money or trophy is at stake for the fastest possible times even if you take it to the track . . .
Last edited by Gojirra99; 04-21-06 at 11:37 AM.
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On a road course in that porsche, I wonder if a driver in the MT car would be faster than the driver in the AT car.
Anyway, I doubt manuals will ever go away. Heck there are still some cars that come MT only... EVO, STI, S2000.
And in modern sports cars, how well do ATs sell vs MTs in lets say... the corvette, the 350z and the RX-8. MT is more than 0-60, its about controlling the car... and thats what you want in a sports car.
Heck thats what I want in the 350.... too bad the paddle shifters are useless
Anyway, I doubt manuals will ever go away. Heck there are still some cars that come MT only... EVO, STI, S2000.
And in modern sports cars, how well do ATs sell vs MTs in lets say... the corvette, the 350z and the RX-8. MT is more than 0-60, its about controlling the car... and thats what you want in a sports car.
Heck thats what I want in the 350.... too bad the paddle shifters are useless
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I disagree with the part about drivers not missing non-power steering. I myself like the road feel of unassisted steering even though the input ratios are larger and the steering less responsive. However, the rest is pretty accurate. Many drivers don't miss manual door locks or a manual transmission.......stick shifts are a PITA in the increasing traffic congestion in many areas today.
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Originally Posted by tqlla3k
On a road course in that porsche, I wonder if a driver in the MT car would be faster than the driver in the AT car.
Anyway, I doubt manuals will ever go away. Heck there are still some cars that come MT only... EVO, STI, S2000.
And in modern sports cars, how well do ATs sell vs MTs in lets say... the corvette, the 350z and the RX-8. MT is more than 0-60, its about controlling the car... and thats what you want in a sports car.
Heck thats what I want in the 350.... too bad the paddle shifters are useless
Anyway, I doubt manuals will ever go away. Heck there are still some cars that come MT only... EVO, STI, S2000.
And in modern sports cars, how well do ATs sell vs MTs in lets say... the corvette, the 350z and the RX-8. MT is more than 0-60, its about controlling the car... and thats what you want in a sports car.
Heck thats what I want in the 350.... too bad the paddle shifters are useless
Here is how I rank them from worst to best for a performance car
AT
AT w/rev matching
SMG
DSG
MT
MT will NOT go away.
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Modern ECT's have reached the point where even the best drivers can't shift as quickly or effectively as a high-quality automatic can shift itself. I remember reading a story a while back about several Indy Car Teams teams considering a change to automatic transmissions because they could shift quicker than the drivers and they never missed. Ultimately, the IRL blocked this on the basis of it minimizing the skills required of a driver.
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SMG is a single clutch I believe - basically like a stick except the clutch is done for you.
The DSG has *two* clutches and has PRE-SELECTED both above and below gears, so gear shifts are completely seamless.
Having just driven a DSG GTI I was AMAZED.
The DSG has *two* clutches and has PRE-SELECTED both above and below gears, so gear shifts are completely seamless.
Having just driven a DSG GTI I was AMAZED.
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Originally Posted by aliti19
To me, a true sports car needs a a real manual trans. I have ZERO complaints whatsoever about my GS, but i have to admit I really miss the 6-speed of my Maxima.
but u cannot blame business. People want autos. And autos are so efficient, its just kills manuals.
I agree, if your going to get a true sports car/brand, manual is the way to go.